Marti Abernathey

We Are The Beast

Filed By Marti Abernathey | July 28, 2007 2:23 PM | comments

Filed in: Fundie Watch, Living
Tags: Christian beliefs, homophobic behavior, transphobia

This kind of display dispels the notion by some in the civil rights community that GLBT people aren't being dehumanized.

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This is a screen shot from a video by Max Blumenthal that was taken at the Christians United for Israel's annual Washington-Israel Summit. The video is under the cut.


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Our enemies are not making the distinctions between LGB and T, or arguing against T inclusion with LG and B. I've seen far too many trans folks arguing "I'm not gay," and far too many lesbian and gay folks arguing, "There's no connection." Meanwhile, the religious right keeps on plotting the reversal of what little progress toward equality we've achieved.

Marti Abernathey | July 29, 2007 3:12 PM

heh. That reminds me of the whole radical feminist thing. It's funny how they deplore us, but the Christian right demonizes us together!

Sue Robins | July 29, 2007 11:51 PM

Don’t worry there are many of us who are informing the straight members of our community we are not Gay and we are simple humans borne with a birth defect, one that surgery and a few years of hormones can correct. Add to that a few dollars and our names and birth certificates are changed and we can marry and live normal lives.

The straight folk seem a lot more accepting of that paradigm then the big rainbow colored umbrella.

"Don’t worry there are many of us who are informing the straight members of our community we are not Gay and we are simple humans borne with a birth defect, one that surgery and a few years of hormones can correct. Add to that a few dollars and our names and birth certificates are changed and we can marry and live normal lives."

Some of us are gay. Your birth defect theory has no basis in fact. Birth defects are biological in nature, not psychological. Being transgender is a normal variant in nature, no different than being left handed. Again, as I said in another thread, this seems to play into your own internal homophobia and internal transphobia.

You're incorrect on the marriage front as well. If you look at the case law, anyone that's trans that gets married and isn't a biologically DNA opposite sex couple, won't have the legal protections when a case is litigated.

"The straight folk seem a lot more accepting of that paradigm then the big rainbow colored umbrella."

So if you're just a "normal heterosexual woman," what are you doing posting to a GLBT blog?

Sue Robins | July 30, 2007 10:21 PM

I shall take your last one first…

I never said I was heterosexual I happen to be bisexual and currently have a pre-op girlfriend. (not that it’s anybody’s business) I don’t parade up and down the street telling everyone in my path what I do with my private parts, I find it to be rather childish.

My “birth defect theory” is just as valid as other people’s claim that they were “borne Gay or Transgender” Same thing really, except more information surfaces every year to show environmental causes for transsexuality such as chemicals in plastics and in the water. Remember DES the hormone given to pregnant women trough the mid 70’s. DES is just one of a growing number of chemicals and drugs that are found to effect sexual development.

What I don’t understand is why do y’alls have to let the world know what it is you do with your private parts? Why it is to important to let the world know you are GLBT-Queer.. etc….


"I never said I was heterosexual I happen to be bisexual and currently have a pre-op girlfriend. (not that it’s anybody’s business) I don’t parade up and down the street telling everyone in my path what I do with my private parts, I find it to be rather childish."

I don't think anyone here is advocating that.

"My “birth defect theory” is just as valid as other people’s claim that they were “borne Gay or Transgender” "

You'll note I never stated such a theory. I simply said that being trans is no different than being left handed. It's something that happens in nature, through natural processes.

birth defect
Function: noun
: a physical or biochemical defect that is present at birth and may be inherited or environmentally induced.

GID is mental disorder, if its anything at all. It doesn't fit the definition.

"Same thing really, except more information surfaces every year to show environmental causes for transsexuality such as chemicals in plastics and in the water. Remember DES the hormone given to pregnant women trough the mid 70’s. DES is just one of a growing number of chemicals and drugs that are found to effect sexual development."

So why are transsexuals found all across the globe, even in places were DES weren't available for use?

"What I don’t understand is why do y’alls have to let the world know what it is you do with your private parts? Why it is to important to let the world know you are GLBT-Queer.. etc…."

That statement is ridiculous. I've never told anything about my genitals. It's important because acceptance only comes with exposure.

Sue Robins | July 31, 2007 12:15 AM

Since I never had GID I cannot address that.
I was borne with a female brain and a few other physical features that hinted at a physical causality. I don’t believe the GID paradigm applies to very many of us but does apply to a few who want to self diagnose themselves as GID. I lived for almost 21 years as a woman before entering the path that would take me to sex reassignment. I didn’t have GID I was born with a female brain. Many of us who transition are.

Is it really so ridiculous to comment on the number of transfolk who parade around in Gay pride parades. And to comment on the people who one day are men and the next day they show up at work saying “I am a woman now” You know as well as I do this stuff happens. That is what I am commenting on. Maybe you haven’t some I know here in SanDiego have. I could name names they think they are activists trust me they are not and I think from where you and I have crossed paths in the past you know who I am talking about.

As to why transsexuals are found even in places where DES was not found (I would love to see data supporting this statement you made)
It’s very simple have you ever heard of the term “Endocrine Disruptors”?
Those are chemicals found in plastics, petroleum products, insecticides and many drugs commonly used throughout the world. These chemicals have been in common use for most of 75 years now, some over 100 years. it’s worth looking into you might find that the mental illness model only applies to some who have transitioned.


Take care