Marti Abernathey

Largo Was Right To Fire Stanton

Filed By Marti Abernathey | January 03, 2008 10:13 AM | comments

Filed in: The Movement, Transgender & Intersex
Tags: ENDA, Stanton

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Last night I was thinking about what Susan Stanton said in this interview. If you follow her line of reasoning about transgender inclusion in the Employment Non Discrimination Act, the city of Largo did the right thing in firing Stanton.

After all, "Most Americans aren't ready for us yet, transgender people need to be able to prove they're still viable workers -- especially in the mainstream."

I was always curious why Stanton didn't sue the city of Largo. If you take her at her word, then it's totally understandable why they fired her. Maybe she can try and get a job with the Largo city government as a secretary or receptionist and "prove" she's a viable worker.


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Y'know it's funny how sometimes we think alike, Marti. Last night, I was rereading our posts and realized that this was the one major point neither of us made in our original posts on this.

I'm going to bring it up tonight on the show for sure, though...

You know this is creepy...
I wondered why Stanton didn't sue also...

It's ether Stanton has such low self esteem
or
Stanton is the equivalent of a Tranny Uncle Tom.

Ether way Stanton is dangerous to the image of TG and TS people.

Take care
Sue

chandler in lasvegas | January 3, 2008 2:18 PM

Wow, what a surprise. Straight acting gays don't like nellie flamers. Young gays think that 28 is ancient. Fat gays are invisible.

Just throw this on the pile where we eat our own.

THAT is our tradition.

Did she have grounds to sue? I mean, is there a law protecting trans folk in Florida? Did her contract allow her to be fired for any reason, as many of those sorts of city contracts do?

Don't mean to bring up ancient history, but then again that's the subject of this post.

Alex,

I'm not a lawyer and can't say for sure, but I do know that the City of Largo had in place at the time a policy prohibiting discrimination against GLBT city employees. The City Council apparently chose to ignore that policy when they fired her. It was Stanton's choice, as I understand it, not to pursue the case.

One thing I remember Rebecca and Alex...

There was talk that she was not fired for transitioning but was fired for making her decision to transition public.

I know i am splitting hairs here but that is how lawyers keep their clients from being sued.

I have said this before....
The whole Stanton thing is suspect when you look at the facts all opinions aside....
There is something wrong with this picture.

Take care Y'all
Sue

I am from Florida and one of her/his former long term employees is the mother of my best friend who is gay man.

His mom is a great lady, great mother, and I believe her when she tells us just what a horrific employer this gay/gal was. Not everyone is good at what they do and should be fired for being a bad employee/employer....regardless of whether he wants to wear a dress or not.

I am over this story and wish she would just shut up.

I don't think Susan spent as much time thinking about her own comments as you and Rebecca have in the 3 posts about her in the past couple days. I'm not meaning to knock the posts - far from it - I'm just saying that I think she was thoughtless when she spoke instead of getting a little experience under her belt about others' lives.

I know this because my uncle's best friend's cousin's dog ran around in a circle three times and then got ran over by a car. It was a good dog, so I believed it when it told me Susan was thoughtless.

I know this because my uncle's best friend's cousin's dog ran around in a circle three times and then got ran over by a car. It was a good dog, so I believed it when it told me Susan was thoughtless.

was this the same dog that use to chase parked cars?

Take care
Sue

I know this because my uncle's best friend's cousin's dog ran around in a circle three times and then got ran over by a car. It was a good dog, so I believed it when it told me Susan was thoughtless.

was this the same dog that use to chase parked cars?

Take care
Sue

For what it's worth, I am an attorney and I think Stanton had a very good claim against the City of Largo under Title VII, the federal employment nondiscrimination statute, based on the Price Waterhouse case from the U.S. Supreme Court, which said that discrimination for failing to conform to gender stereotypes is illegal sex discrimination, and 2 cases from the 6th Circuit that apply that same reason to transgender employees. At the time, Stanton said something about not wanting to sue her "friends" at the City of Largo and wanting to move on with her life. I think not suing was a big mistake for her personally and for the community, since it meant missing a great opportunity to extend the Price Waterhouse principle to another part of the country outside the 6th Circuit. (Florida is in the 11th Circuit.) Also, I can't really fathom not being pissed as hell at the way she was treated. I know how personally draining litigation can be, but still, I don't understand why she didn't sue, especially since the NCLR was going to pay for it. But, maybe, this latest interview has revealed the truth - she really didn't think she deserved to keep her job. How very sad, if true.

One other point: The fact that her contract said that she could be fired "at will," i.e., for any or no reason, has no impact on her right to sue for sex discrimination. A contract can't make legal a firing that the law says is illegal. In other words, the contract is irrelevant if the firing violates Title VII or other law.

Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want...
Susan Stanton is being steered into being an example a bad example This is just what HRC and those unenlightened religious types need.

Her transition will be a well publicized failure.

.....

"Then Trannies are gettin to upity, we need to knock them down a couple a pegs".


Take care
Sue