Alex Blaze

Hillary Clinton makes fun of Barack Obama

Filed By Alex Blaze | February 24, 2008 9:24 PM | comments

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Tags: Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton

I usually don't post on the tit-for-tat of this primary campaign, but this is not on the list of things I was expecting to see tonight. Not at all:


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That's some bad sarcasm; she needs to work on intonation.

With that in mind, though, will this approach really help her, the woman who is characterized as cold and frivolous?

So, there's this expression we use around the office to describe people when they do things like this. Allow me to employ it here.

Hillary, you're such a donkey sometimes. (And by that I don't mean Democrat, although you are one of those...sometimes...as well...)

On an unrelated note, I'm watching the Oscars, and Nicole Kidman, who's normally best dressed, looks a HOT MESS!

She sounds really immature there. Sounds less like someone interested in real debate and more like a kid on a playground. I'm sure she'll win over a lot of Obama supporters by mocking them.

Michael Bedwell | February 25, 2008 3:39 AM

"At an early-morning rally the day of the New Hampshire vote, [Obama] told some 300 students at the Dartmouth College gym: ‘My job this morning is to be so persuasive . . . THAT A LIGHT WILL SHINE THROUGH THAT WINDOW, A BEAM OF LIGHT WILL COME DOWN UPON YOU, YOU WILL EXPERIENCE AN EPIPHANY, and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Barack.’" – Nat Hentoff, Village Voice.

“THE CAMPAIGN WORKS HARD TO CULTIVATE THE ROCK STAR IMAGE. After he's introduced, Obama routinely waits about 30 seconds to enter the arena. The excitement grows, until his entrance is perfectly timed with the soaring chords of U2's “City Of BLINDING LIGHTS.” - Politico

"The other day a Texas crowd CHEERED HIS SNEEZE." – NY Times.

“Barack Obama is a METAPHYSICAL FORCE in American politics." – Donna Brazile, Democratic Party Big Cheese, superdelegate, and Obama hagiographer.

“I felt this thrill going up my leg. ... This is the NEW TESTAMENT.” – MSNBC Superstar Chris Matthews

“I just want all of you to pray that I CAN BE AN INSTRUMENT OF GOD…. I am confident that WE CAN CREATE A KINGDOM RIGHT HERE ON EARTH." - Barack Obama

“If Barack Obama makes it all the way to the White House, it will represent A QUANTUM LEAP IN AMERICAN CONSCIOUSNESS” – Deepak Chopra

“We're here to EVOLVE TO A HIGHER PLANE.” – Oprah Winfrey

"I'll do whatever he says to do. I'll collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear." – actress Halle Berry

“The atmosphere at his events is such that one wonders if OBAMA IS ABOUT TO WALK OUT WITH A BASKET WITH SOME LOAVES AND FISHES TO FEED THE THOUSANDS.” – “The Australian” correspondent Geoff Elliott

"'I think that OBAMA, his election to the Senate, WAS DIVINELY ORDERED', Mr. Rush said, all other explanations failing. 'I'm a preacher and a pastor; I KNOW THAT THAT WAS GOD'S PLAN. Obama has certain qualities that—I think he is being used for some purpose. I really believe that.’" - Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Ill., as quoted by Janny Scott in the Sept. 9 New York Times

“I walked outside and found five hundred people standing on the sidewalk and the front steps of the opera house, LISTENING TO HIS LAST WORDS IN SILENCE, AS IF NEWS OF VICTORY IN THE PACIFIC WERE COMING OVER THE LOUDSPEAKERS. Within minutes, I couldn’t recall a single thing that he had said, and THE SPEECH DISSOLVED INTO PURE FEELING, which stayed with me for days.” - George Packer, The New Yorker

"Fifteen-thousand people, maybe 20,000, jam into the streets in front of the soaring State Capitol, with the usual OBAMA-AS-ELECTORAL-RAVE GIDDINESS. ... a band PLAYS “OBAMA-ALUJAH” and thousands stand in the chill night READY TO BE RAPTUROUS. . . . They were awaiting THE MESSIANIC FIGURE of a presidential candidate who had just added two more wins to his victory column and who the night before had ignited a crowd of about 20,000 in Houston. …"If I died today, it would be all right," [activist Ray] Williams told me…Obama basked in the outpouring of affection as his followers stood in awe of the man whom they had waited so long to behold. He was well into his speech when he thought to remind the crowd that it was ALL RIGHT FOR THEM TO SIT DOWN as he delivered the rest of his comments. Some have made fun of his charismatic nature, inspirational tone and continual reference to hope. Many wonder if that WONDERMENT AND GLORIFIED EXUBERANCE can last through the rest of the campaign. Well, based on what I saw, this movement won't peak until November.” - Bob Ray Sanders, Star Telegram February 24, 2008.

“OBAMA: Keep me in your prayers. You know, make sure that everybody is praying and GIVE ME THAT PROTECTIVE BLANKET over it.
WRIGHT: Obama's true believers respond as though they've spent their whole lives out in the cold. AT RALLY AFTER RALLY, A FEW PEOPLE LITERALLY FAINT.
OBAMA: [Montage of Obama reacting to fainting]: Is somebody okay? Did somebody just get faint? It looks like we have somebody who may have fainted. Hold on a second, young lady. Are you okay? Why don't you sit down though.
WRIGHT: Politics doesn't even begin to describe it. A VISIT TO AN OBAMA RALLY IS A PILGRIMAGE.” - ABC Nightline Correspondent David Wright

“Then Mr Obama took to the stage. The noise was deafening, a long, exultant roar with all the force and overwhelming power of a jet engine before take-off. “Obama! Obama! Obama! Obamaaaaaaaaa!” they chanted From four giant screens hanging from the ceiling, Mr Obama’s image could be seen from the farthest reaches of the stadium, waving, clapping at this adoring crowd, as THEY STARED UP AT HIM WITH AN ALMOST MESMERIC FERVOUR. At one point in his speech, delivered in the religious cadence of Dr King, Mr Obama had to blow his nose. “OBAMA!” THEY CHANTED AND CLAPPED AGAIN, AS THEIR IDOL WIPED HIS FACE.” - Tim Reid, The Times [UK] February 23, 2008.

“The Obama Messiah Watch” by Timothy Noah, Slate. “Introducing a periodic feature considering evidence that Obama is the Son of God. Is Barack Obama the second coming of our Savior and our Redeemer, Prince of Peace and King of Kings, Jesus Christ? His press coverage suggests we can't dismiss this possibility out of hand. I therefore inaugurate the Obama Messiah Watch, which will periodically highlight gratuitously adoring biographical details that appear in newspaper, television, and magazine profiles of this otherworldly presence in our midst. Readers are invited to submit similar details—Obama walking on water, Obama sating the hunger of 5,000 with five loaves and two fishes—from other Obama profiles. And also, of course, to repent, just in case the hour approacheth nigh.

DUG JAZZ WHEN HE WAS STILL A MIDDLE SCHOOLER!!! …from a Feb. 8 profile in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin by B.J. Reyes. …Reyes' scoop? "Barry" (as he was then known) became a jazz buff WHILE STILL IN JUNIOR HIGH! …Reyes is a little vague about precisely what jazz records Barry would listen to at that tender age. … In the unlikely event Barry was grooving on Ornette Coleman's The Shape of Jazz to Come or Albert Ayler's Spiritual Unity, then dig it, baby. This cat's the messiah.

TOOK VERY FEW NOTES IN CLASS!!!…from a Los Angeles Times profile by Larry Gordon about Obama's two years at Occidental College …[classmate Ken] Sulzer said he was impressed at HOW FEW NOTES OBAMA TOOK!

…MASTERED LAWS GOVERNING UNIVERSE!!! ..,from a Jan. 27 Associated Press feature by Glen Johnson: Obama analyzed and integrated Einstein's theory of relativity, the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, as well as the concept of curved space as an alternative to gravity, for a [Harvard] Law Review article that [Prof. Laurence] Tribe wrote titled, "The Curvature of Constitutional Space." BY THIS MEASURE, THOUSANDS OF REASONABLY BRIGHT HIGH-SCHOOL STUDENTS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES ARE DESTINED TO BECOME PRESIDENT. (AP's Johnson gets extra credit for redundancy: Einstein's General Theory of Relativity includes the concept of curved space.)

DO SPACE ALIENS ADVISE OBAMA? … a Rolling Stone profile by Ben Wallace-Wells: ‘[Obama] is sitting in his Senate office, dangling one leg over the other knee and speaking very, very slowly. It's not just that Obama searches for the right word; it's that the search seems to TAKE HIM TO DISTANT WORLDS.’ Wallace-Wells doesn't flat-out say so, but the implication is that OBAMA IS IN TELEPATHIC COMMUNICATION WITH SPACE ALIENS in distant galaxies whose vastly superior intelligence enables them to game the maddeningly compressed new primary calendar. This is just the sort of thing you'd expect THE MESSIAH TO DO.

OBAMA CALMS TURBULENT IOWANS!!! ‘Paul Tewes, Obama's Iowa coordinator, marveled, "It is something I've never seen before in politics. AFTER PEOPLE HEAR HIM SPEAK, THEY SAY THAT THEY FEEL AT PEACE.’ Does Tewes' unusual choice of words demonstrate that OBAMA IS THE PRINCE OF PEACE? Just asking.

OBAMA: BETTER THAN CIVIL RIGHTS!!! Stuart Taylor Jr. of National Journal: ‘[I]t is beyond debate that an Obama win in 2008 would be by far the best thing that has happened to African-Americans, and to race relations, in MORE THAN 50 YEARS.’ This is a remarkable statement because nearly all the achievements of the 20th-century civil rights movement occurred WITHIN the last 50 years. “

“[Obama] has run on the vague promise of "change," but on issue after issue—immigration, the economy, global warming—he has offered boilerplate policies that EVADE THE UNDERLYING CAUSES OF THE STALEMATES. THESE ISSUES REMAIN CONTENTIOUS BECAUSE THEY INVOLVE REAL CONFLICTS OR DIFFERENCES OF OPINION. …He seems to have HYPNOTIZED MUCH OF THE MEDIA AND THE PUBLIC with his eloquence and the symbolism of his life story. The result is A MASS DELUSION that Obama is forthrightly engaging the nation's major problems when, so far, he isn't” – Robert Samuelson, Newsweek

“There is something of A CULT OF PERSONALITY surrounding Obama. Despite a lack of a presidential résumé and a vision for leadership that’s remarkably short on specifics, HE’S MANAGED TO CONVINCE A WIDE SWATH OF PEOPLE THAT HE’S GOING TO CURE ALL THE ILLS OF OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM. That’s especially ironic given that much of his support is among the well educated and affluent, who are supposed to be more rational. “ – James Joyner, Newsweek

More at:

http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/

I like how that newscaster said this segment was "unfiltered," when that's exactly what it is, filtered. They picked one 30-second segment out of what I'm sure was a several hour long rally.

I think it's two separate questions, whether she's factually accurate and whether she's doing something that benefits her campaign. She was in Rhode Island for this speech, and maybe they like that sort of thing more there. Everything I know about Rhode Island I learned through The Family Guy, so my opinion on that's prolly not valid.

After seven years of the country's feeling okay with their prejudices, I am tired of the old
cynicism.
I am ready for change, fundamental change not only in policies, but the way this country does business in Washington.
When there's nothing left but hope, sometimes that's all that's needed.

Senator Obama provides that hope. Can he bring about the end to divisive rhetoric than is currently rampant? Can he put an end to a war that should never have been fought that the next several generations will be paying for?

I don't know. But I hope so. And, we go from there.

Michael Crawford Michael Crawford | February 25, 2008 9:19 AM

Just when I start to feel a bit of sympathy for Hillary and the troubles that her campaign is having, she does something like this. It is a shame that rather than tout her vision for uniting Americans and helping us to imagine what we can be, she appeals to cynicism.

I just have to point out that Alex's post didn't take up a full screen. Michael's comment took up 5 and a half.

Now that's funny.

And lighten up - it's a political campaign. In the grand scheme of things, that's pretty small. He's cultivating the image - she gets to poke at him for it.

Four and a half on mine. See, I think we have different resolutions or something. We've been noticing this issue since I'm usually more comfortable with more up on the front page than you are, Bil, and maybe there is something here.

And, no, she has no right to make fun of his message. Or something. She said he had "no right" to attack her health care plan with mailers, so she shouldn't have one to attack his general message.

Or something like that. I don't get politics, I guess. Or I just don't get Mark Penn.

The funny thing, Michael, is that when I saw your comment, I thought for sure it was going to be a series of quotes of Obama similarly making fun of Hillary or ridiculing the core messages of her campaign. I thought, wow, Michael's going to open my eyes to something I didn't know about Obama, because he's so darn good at doing his investigative reporting on the dark side of Obama. I braced myself to face some tough realities about my favorite candidate that I had not yet found myself.

And then...

You merely posted a series of quotes highlighting the intensity of the enthusiasm Obama and his candidacy conjure up in people! You make the point of his candidacy better than he does!

Personally I don't need a president who thinks that he or she is the BEST person to tackle ALL of the tough issues we face. I need a president who can inspire the American people and others to push the hundreds of politicians, appointees, bureaucrats and others who are responsible for tackling these tough issues to do so. This may not be the way American politics have been done for some time, but it's what we progressive claim we want to happen, so why not invest in the candidate who has the best chance of getting this done?

I've never said that the enthusiasm I hold for Obama means that I also believe he will be able to part seas and fix the world, but there is no denying the charge he brings to American politics, and if he loses, he will at least leave a legacy of energizing Democratic voters, young people, independents and others not typically associated with the political process.

Perhaps my feelings on this are generational. Hillary makes the case that you need another Clinton administration to clean up after another Bush administration. Gross. Perhaps if the Clinton administration of 1992-2000 had made their case in a way that didn't cede SO MUCH TERRITORY to the right, we wouldn't have had 8 years of Bush II and there wouldn't be anything to clean.

In the course of a week, Clinton has declared how proud she is to campaign beside Barack Obama, turned around and said "shame on you" for sending out routine campaign mailers on issues she, herself, has aggressively campaigned on, and openly ridiculed the center of his message, which has brought so many new voters into the fold of Democratic politics.

There are enough talking heads in Washington, already. I don't need a president who has three of her own.

I know Bil says to take this stuff more lightly -- it's a campaign, isn't it? Well, sure. But at some point Hillary's slash and burn politics is going to hurt not only her own candidacy but the Democratic party's hopes of winning against McCain in the general election. I'm not saying she should quit the campaign -- she has every right to continue on -- but I am saying that as Obama's momentum continues to grow and grow as her star falls, she should really consider what HER legacy during this campaign will be.

Will she write the Republican playbook for the general election? Will she give the McCain campaign all the barbs it needs to go after Obama with? Will we see a replay of 2004, in which the nasty and contentious Democratic primary made it nearly impossible for Kerry and Edwards to campaign together with a straight face on? Will we lose AGAIN to the GOP?

I may be too far gone at this point for Hillary to swing me back to her side -- I was there, once. But it's not too late for her to swing others. If she truly is the right person for the job, I hope she can convince voters of that without tearing down the most exciting candidate we've seen in American politics in a long, long time.

Michael Bedwell | February 25, 2008 11:27 AM

Mr. Crawford, your zipper is er...your position as an official advisor to the Obama campaign is showing. I'm surprised you didn't accuse her of plagiarism for quoting Obama about those magic lights he's been talking about. A little tease....uh, wait....you're not suggesting he's serious?

I dare you to take off the Official Obama See No Evil Blindfold and read the numerous samples I gave—from individuals, from reporters, from myriad newspapers and magazines, from across the country, from around the world, FROM OBAMA'S OWN HOLIEST OF MOUTHS about the divine dog and pony show his campaign has been and then dare attempt to reduce this again to something ABOUT HILLARY.

If she did anything wrong it was waiting too long to call BULLSHIT on the Man from Gallilee er I mean Honolulu. "Jessica H. Christ, Mary! Stop with the posing for statues and talk turkey about how you're going to affect change. It's not a magic word like Bippityboppityboo! It's not something that happens on its own no matter how many times your disciples click their heels together. You think you can skip through the Haunted Forest of Washington melting Right Wing witches by throwing buckets of words on them? Well, I got news for you, Dorothy! And by the way, while we're at it. Before your pal Deepak takes his 'quantum leap in consciousness', could you ask him to take off those stupid red rhinestone framed glasses he's been wearing? And they say I'M confused about MY gender!"

The problem is not Sen. Clinton's "vision" but THE "visions" Obama is encouraging people to imagine they see, and worse. "Within minutes, I couldn’t recall a single thing that he had said, and THE SPEECH DISSOLVED INTO PURE FEELING"..."Barack Obama is a METAPHYSICAL FORCE" Does Donna Brazile even know what metaphysical means? Sen. Clinton has talked about ISSUES and Obama talks about being an "INSTRUMENT OF GOD."

The problem isn't Sen. Clinton's "cynicism"—but HIS Messianism. Contrasted with that, hers and that of others such as Slate's "Obama Messiah Watch" are a VIRTUE and we could have used a lot more of it.

Michelle Obama is now proud to be an American "for the first time." For the first time, Oprah, "steps out of the pew" of her gazillion dollar empire and shrine to conspicuous consumption and constant reminders to women that they ain't thin enough, they ain't pretty enough, they ain't dressed well enough, to inform us that “We're here to EVOLVE TO A HIGHER PLANE.” Can you tell us—has the campaign told YOU yet—when we're all supposed to put on our matching tennis shoes and lie down facing the sky with a purple cloth over our faces? Just asking.

Dip your toe in a little objectivity, Mr. Crawford, and just maybe, as the Dali Obama said, a "LIGHT WILL SHINE THROUGH THAT WINDOW, A BEAM OF LIGHT WILL COME DOWN UPON YOU, YOU WILL EXPERIENCE AN EPIPHANY...."

OR you could just wait for the Republicans to do it for other voters if not you—just as you and other Obama True Believers have been acting like Republicans toward Sen. Clinton.

SHHHHH!!!! I think I just heard .... YESSS! "Verily, on the sixth day, He sneezed, and it was good; and the mountains came up and the seas parted, and the hungry were fed and the naked clothed and the sick made well and the dead rose and...."

Michael Bedwell | February 25, 2008 11:45 AM

"the most exciting candidate we've seen in American politics in a long, long time," Dustin.

Guess what, Dustin: I totally agree. But we don't need sizzle in the White House as much as we need steak.

To which you would probably repeat your "a president who can inspire the American people and others to push the hundreds of politicians, appointees, bureaucrats and others who are responsible for tackling these tough issues to do so"—to which I would ask, after his disciples have pushed them, exactly HOW are they supposed to tackle, solve those tough isses—and repeat "Newsweek's" Samuelson's analysis:

"...on issue after issue—immigration, the economy, global warming—he has offered boilerplate policies that evade the underlying causes of the stalemates. These issues remain contentious because they involve real conflicts or differences of opinion. ...The task requires independent ideas, and Obama has few. If you examine his agenda, it is completely ordinary, highly partisan, not candid and mostly unresponsive to many pressing national problems.

The contrast between his broad rhetoric and his narrow agenda is stark, and yet the media—preoccupied with the political 'horse race'—have treated his invocation of "change" as a serious idea rather than a shallow campaign slogan."

Put more crudely: Obama has given you a hardon. I hope the country has more to show for it in four years than blue balls.

But at some point Hillary's slash and burn politics is going to hurt not only her own candidacy but the Democratic party's hopes of winning against McCain in the general election.

No, it won't. This has been one of the nicest campaigns in recent memory. Remember how GWB completely trashed McCain in 2000? It's not like it hurt the Republican chances of winning.

Sure, it's getting more and more negative what with her losing more states and falling behind, but this is seriously nothing. And McCain's going to lose in November; he's the sacrificial Republican lamb offered up because the Democrats are doing so well in fund-raising, organizing, getting people to vote in their primaries in open states, and in generic Democrat-Republican polls.

Will she write the Republican playbook for the general election?

No. They're going to come up with the most red-baiting, racist, anti-academic, militaristic, jingoist, vile shit that none of us normal human beings can even imagine right now. What Clinton's doing is nothing.

Will she give the McCain campaign all the barbs it needs to go after Obama with?

The Swiftboat vets for Truth might. Or Karl Rove. Or Rush Limbaugh might keep on playing that "Barack the Magic Negro" song trying to get people to stay away from the black man running for president, etc. McCain's already made fun of Obama's hope message. He doesn't need this Hillary speech for help.

Will we see a replay of 2004, in which the nasty and contentious Democratic primary made it nearly impossible for Kerry and Edwards to campaign together with a straight face on?

That's not how I remember 04. I remember someone being chosen as the most electable candidate whose military record could not be questioned, someone who never responded to the stupid rumors launched against him, someone who was fighting an uphill battle against a popular president during a war (remember how people used to like Bush? It seems so long ago now), etc.

I think his loss had little to do with Edwards. It might have had something to do with the Dem clusterfuck in the primaries, but it wasn't the tone of that season.

Will we lose AGAIN to the GOP?

If we do, I'm really moving to Canada this time. McCain would probably be a worse president than Bush, and I don't even know how that's possible.


On something completely different....

You merely posted a series of quotes highlighting the intensity of the enthusiasm Obama and his candidacy conjure up in people! You make the point of his candidacy better than he does!

Isn't that the truth. It's strange how many Hillary supporters have used the fact that she's less electable for whatever reasons (her husband, her sex, her history with conservative media) as some reason to vote for her, and the fact that people love Obama as some reason to vote against him. Yeah, I'm generally troubled with how into him some Obama supporters are, but that doesn't mean that it's a reason to vote against him. If anything it shows that he can possibly do it in the general.

And I'm not saying that Hillary is in fact unelectable because of any of those reasons up there. I'm just saying that when I read someone say that America just isn't ready for a woman president and that's why Hillary's doing badly, it doesn't inspire confidence.

But I think that America's long past ready for a woman president, so it's all good in the end.

Perhaps you're right, Michael, but I'll stick with the young folks on this one.

Rarely do I feel aligned politically by generation, but I have to say, as a Reagan-Bush-Clinton-Bush baby, I want something more out of my politics than a game of Musical Chairs.

If Obama is the Hollow Man you make him out to be, I'll hang up my irreverence and campaign for HRC when she runs against him in 2012. But I won't regret my support.

Sometimes it takes the next generation to shake things up, to buck conventional wisdom. From what I gather about your biography, you should understand that well. It's never comfortable, and it shouldn't be.

Michael Bedwell | February 25, 2008 12:23 PM

You're warm, Dustin. I'm an old queen who doesn't believe in God.

Rock on, Michael Bedwell! I'm relieved to see that not everyone has taken leave of their senses! I haven't decided yet whether Obama is Elmer Gantry or the Anti-Christ, but he sure ain't no Messiah. Democrats, and especially LGBT folks, are setting themselves up for a big future disappointment if they continue to turn off their minds like a horde of screaming bobby-soxers and push Obama into the White House. You'll know it's gone completely out of control when you start hearing serious rumors that he's cured somebody at one of his revival meetings.