Sara Whitman

Can we get along?

Filed By Sara Whitman | March 28, 2008 12:30 PM | comments

Filed in: Politics
Tags: Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Democrat primaries, election 2008, Hillary Rodham Clinton, HRC

I had a friend of mine admit today that she's an Obama supporter.

I would say a good friend of mine but now... I'm not so sure.

Only kidding. I was a little surprised but not completely. Frankly? At this point? I don't care.

I don't care who wins as long as a Democrat wins. And it's starting to look like that won't happen.

She pointed out to me that Obama wasn't being negative to gay people, or immigrants, in the speech he made in Oregon the other day. He was simply saying, let's not get caught up in immigrants and gay people when we have bigger issues- the economy and the war- to look at.

Okay.

I can see that. I'm not sure that I agree but then, I wasn't in the room. I didn't hear the entire speech. I listened with attitude and not openness.

See, she is a good friend. And I realized for a second, my heart closed. Over what? A political candidate? No.

Hillary Clinton didn't just invite me to the Cape this summer, and Barack Obama didn't teach her kids how to body surf.

I was going to let an average candidate- and let's face it, they are both average candidates with relatively little experience- make me love my friend any less.

But the thought that someone as insane and erratic as John McCain would end up in the Oval Office in charge is... more than either of us could bear.

The primary season has never lasted so long. By the time the Democrats get to Denver, nothing is going to be left. No more money to raise. No more dignity from either side.

Nothing.

Imagine if right now, we had lined up a series of debates with John McCain. I'm willing to bet that by debate three, we could have him bright red and spitting out some off balanced, angry retort.

By debate 5? It would be McCain throwing every dirty political trick in the book to win.

We're not going to have time for three debates after Denver, let alone five.

What are we going to do?

We cannot stand five more months of this.

We will lose.

I keep hearing Rodney King's voice:

"People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? Can we get along? Can we stop making it, making it horrible for the older people and the kids?...It's just not right. It's not right. It's not, it's not going to change anything. We'll, we'll get our justice....Please, we can get along here. We all can get along. I mean, we're all stuck here for a while. Let's try to work it out. Let's try to beat it. Let's try to beat it. Let's try to work it out."

We have to work this out.

Or we will never get our justice.


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The primary season has never lasted so long. By the time the Democrats get to Denver, nothing is going to be left. No more money to raise. No more dignity from either side.

Nothing.

I don't think that the situation is all that bleak for the Dems, but I can understand the feeling that they simply must lose, they've lost every time up to this point, they're always losers, so, come on, let's get on with it and lose already.

But this article gives me a bit of hope. In the meanest, most bitter Democratic-in-fighting month yet, March, Obama raised $55M, Clinton raised $30M, and McCain raised around $11M. Both Obama and Clinton are ahead in polls against McCain, and that's at a pretty skewed time to be polling that since the GOP primary is over and the Democratic one has turned negative.

And then there's that fun FEC complaint filed by Jane Hamsher against McCain....

We're not going to have time for three debates after Denver, let alone five.

What are we going to do?

We cannot stand five more months of this.

We will lose.

Most commentators who make that line of argumentation argue that Clinton should drop out. I doubt you're advocating that solution. What do you propose instead, or do you think Clinton should drop out?

It is unlikely that we will "all get along" as long as the sort of dirty campaigning we are seeing continues :

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2008/03/28/clinton_scaife/

Sara - you support Clinton. I think you've chosen the wrong candidate.

I support Obama. You think I've chosen the wrong guy.

I still love you and think you're pretty. We can get along. After all, you've sent me better flowers than any lover ever has! *grins* (And if Hillary sent me flowers like that, I might reconsider. Just sayin'. I'm a sucker for a beautiful arrangement.)

I think Howard Dean stepping forward and telling the superdelegates to be confirmed and counted for by July first is a big step.

I think the MI and FL mess MUST be resolved.

and with both those pieces of information? I think we'll all know who should step down. Might be Clinton. Might be Obama.

But this crap will stop.

bil? I was just told by someone who only ever saw my pict on the internet that in person I look much younger.

so if I bring you flowers will you stop trash talking my woman?

I think the MI and FL messes have already been resolves....

Ya know I love it when people finaly discover that Politics is a contact sport with no rules and always has been. Now can the DNC admit winner take all Primaries weren't that horrabel a thing and go back to letting the states pick how they want to divy up the deleagtes and this mess would have been over by now and the defacto general election would have begun by now.Nope we get a food fight till August.

Popcorn any one?

Caty

I love the paraphrase of that famous wit, Will Rogers: I'm not a member of an organized political party; I'm a Democrat.

Unless something happened overnight, the mess with Michigan and Florida remains unresolved. They broke the rules, and moved up their primary to be able to give their primaries more weight. I don't think they should now be rewarded by deciding the outcome of the primaries by allowing them to vote now. I would suggest that each of the states' delegates be awarded on a 50-50 basis with the two candidates each getting half of them. This is the only fair way to have them seated. This is a compromise position.

I also believe the bitter divisive rhetoric needs to end - and that we should all make an effort to get along.

We're all in this together....

Actualy the only fair way is to seat the super delagates plus adelegate matching the superdelegate number per state.Then have them as uncommitted for the first round of voting after that they my then vote as they please.A 50/50 set up would only add to the mess now and still reward the states for breaking the rules but superdelagtes plus 1 would still punish the states for breaking the rules.If a state has 20 supers they would then get 20 delegates for a total of 40 votes etc. But they realy do need to rethink winner take all in primaries as that is how Senator McCain now has the nomination.

I actually think we should go to a two day national primary and caucus system, have all states say east of the missisipi vote on one day, then those west vote on another.

This long drawn out process just makes things a mess, and puts more emphasis on money and special interests. In this day and age, where a canidate can fly across the country in a matter of hours, rather than having to take a train from place to place, is just wasteful and archaic.

I agree that the primary season is way too long and expensive. But I would overhaul the entire electoral process for electing President and Vice-President. I would have regional primaries, with the sequence of them rotating every four years so that each region would have
an opportunity to be first every four election cycles. I would also like to see a spending cap on both the primaries and the general election. I would also do away with the electoral college, and the winner would be the one with the most votes nationwide. This would make everyone's vote important, and I would have voting on Sunday and Monday so that not only everyone qualified to vote would actually vote.
Just an idea....