Sara Whitman

Clinton Wins By TEN

Filed By Sara Whitman | April 23, 2008 8:15 AM | comments

Filed in: Politics
Tags: Bill Clinton, Democrat primaries, election 2008, Hillary Rodham Clinton, HRC, Pennsylvania

I have one thing to say:

It doesn't matter how you win.

THINK: BUSH 2000.

The world laughed at us and that son-of-a-bitch won.

Whine, complain, stomp your feet. She won.

And won big.


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Let's revisit this in two weeks

It doesn't matter how you win. THINK: BUSH 2000.

Although I support Hillary, there are limits on what one should do to win.

Bush railroaded his vote count in Florida through the US Supreme Court in 2000 --- and he got his antics to be the final word, and in that sense "it doesn't matter".

But he also demoralized countless Americans (millions?) about the relevancy and validity of the democratic process, and in that sense he damaged "the system" and the nation. And that does matter.

In 2004 the GOP disenfranchised thousands in Ohio by making long lines stand in the rain, then closed the polls before everyone got a chance to vote. They also attempted to intimidate blacks and Latinos from voting, with mixed success. Tactics such as that, too, cause people to lose faith in the electoral process. Losing faith causes many Americans to not bother voting. And that does matter.

So I don't agree with the "win any way you can" attitude. Ultimately, it will undermine our national spirit and corrupt the electoral process.

And Monica, you're not fat.

Indiana's next. Want to come to an election night party, Sara? We'll throw a Hillary AND Barack party! :)

Michael Crawford Michael Crawford | April 23, 2008 11:14 AM

Sara are you kidding us?

Clinton did not when big. She won by ten points. You fail to mention that she was up by about 20 points a couple of weeks ago.

Face it Clinton's morphing into a Rovian Republican hurt her and is hurting the Democratic Party.

Clinton won by barely over 9% , NOT 10, NOT "double digit" as some have erroneously proclaimed. Her delegate gain over Obama coming out of PA is even less impressive.

And at what cost ??? :

"The Pennsylvania campaign, which produced yet another inconclusive result on Tuesday, was even meaner, more vacuous, more desperate, and more filled with pandering than the mean, vacuous, desperate, pander-filled contests that preceded it."
( New York Times editorial today "The Low Road to Victory" )

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/opinion/23wed1.html?_r=1&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/23/AR2008042300068.html?hpid=topnews
Negative capaign tactics are hurting the Democratic Party


Richard Cohen had an interesting take on Clinton's situation in yesterday's Washington Post :

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/21/AR2008042102553.html


And on the lighter side, Pat Olphant :

http://www.uclick.com/client/wpc/po/


McCain is laughing while taking the measurements for curtains in the oval office.

The demos self destruct again.

Robert Ganshorn Robert Ganshorn | April 23, 2008 12:03 PM

Is it not wonderful that we have two candidates of such abilities. Obama has brought more attention to the Democrats than anyone in my memory, but he has gotten most of his delegates from states which last went Democrat for president in the Johnson Landslide of 1964. I would love it if it could happen, but the sleeping plan of the Republicans is to fracture the unity we need to perpetuate their power.

With the exception of his home state Clinton has won every state the Democrats need to elect a president. It would not take long for her Park Ridge Illinois roots to flourish if she were the final choice of the superdelegates. Other similarly progressive states she lost like Minnesota would go Clinton as well. Thusfar she is the choice I have greatest confidence in because I want someone who both speaks to my issues, and the greater issue of the country, and has the familiarity with the way Washington works to accomplish something. She still may not win in the end, but the manner of her or Obama's not obtaining the nomination is what now must be handled with a maximum of respect.

I know that Obama runs as the candidate of change of the status quo, but I foresee a "strong congress weak presidency" if he is elected which could lead to gridlock during our ongoing economic downturn. The entrenched power bases in DC are not going to just roll over if he is elected. Consider how long the tobacco lobby survived.

What's the point? She won big in PA. So what? All that means is that when she finally -- if not gracefully -- exists the race then she can run for governor of the state of Pennsylvania.

The fact remains is that Obama is in the lead for pledged delegates, total popular vote (over 500,000) and number of contests won (29 to 15). There is no way in the remaining nine contests that Hillary can catch Obama by any metric.

I get a hoot out of Hillary stating that only states like PA and OH with large working-class whites matter. If that's the case, the let's just end the charade of holding contests in the remaining 48 states to nominate our candidates in the future, and let's tell those states populated by liberals, blacks, the affluent, the educated and the youth that their votes don't count in the Demoncratic Party.

This primary season has turned in the scene from the film Straight Jacket when Joan feels trapped by the vertical wallpaper in the dressing room (about half way through this 80 second clip):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHyR0GTuqss&feature=related

Let me out!!

Yes, Clinton can win. Yes, Obama can win.

Does it make one lick of a difference which one of them ends up as the nominee?

Probably not. By all means, have a blast wrestling with the millionaires for the rest of the year. They are enjoying it far more than you ever will.

End result no matter what party wins: status quo

Does it make one lick of a difference which one of them ends up as the nominee?
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End result no matter what party wins: status quo

I heartily agree. I think Obama would the most likely to veer off politics as usual, but not by far. He'll do lip service and continue making all that money.

Sara,
Well see whose gloating after May 6. Indiana and North Carolina are coming up, and Barack has a double digit lead in North Carolina. I get to cast my Obama ballot on May 20

To give you an idea on just how organizaed the Obama campaign is in Kentucky, I was in Richmond KY, home of Eastern Kentucky University for a fencing tournament last weekend.

I pick up a copy of the student newspaper and I discover on Page 2 of it a full page Obama ad reminding students the KY registration deadline is April 21. Noting similar for Hillary

He still has $40 million, the ability to raise millions more, has the delegate lead and has whittled down her superdelegate lead.

A.G. Casebeer | April 23, 2008 2:23 PM

I think having this race be thisclose is a positive thing. Daily, every move of Obama and Clinton are televised, with barely a side mention of McCain.
How can that be bad?

Does anyone really believe that the party can't unify behind whichever is the nominee?

The final delegate count is not done yet my best souce is 79 for Clinton 70 for Obama and 9 still to be handed out so it could wind up a tie? and heres the link to the best count page I have found yet this year.Btw Senator Obama still has the most delegates as of today.

http://www.goobergunch.net/vol6.html

oh, Bil, dont' kid yourself about Obama and politics as usual.

And I am eager and excited about visiting this in two weeks.

and Monica, respectfully? it is a big fucking deal.

Btw its not about popular votes but delegates and in Novemember about Electorial College votes just keep that in mind folks.This has been a politics 101 brought to you by me.

Carry on
Caty

I think we'd make a helluva duo, Sara. We could record it for the blog and go to polling places and stuff - person on the street type thing

crescentdave crescentdave | April 24, 2008 5:01 AM

She won 9 more delegates, maybe less ... after having lost HALF her initial, double digit lead. Of course, she's still behind in the popular vote, still behind in delegates ... but other than that ... a must win for HRC does add up.

HRC proves she can win ugly, by using the fear card. It's just too little, too late. So the win was necessary, ugly and insufficient. Hardly handsprings territory.

um, Dave? I think Obama is getting ugly,too.

big ugly. nasty ugly.

and the bar keeps changing, doesn't it? this is enough, no now it's not... reminds me of when I'd beat my brother playing basketball. he was older, much taller and when I managed to perfect a 15' outside shot, a little head fake, he would say I didn't know how to drive the hoop.

but I won....