Mike Rogers

Spat over, hello war

Filed By Mike Rogers | May 08, 2008 10:00 AM | comments

Filed in: Politics
Tags: Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Democrat primaries, election 2008, Hillary Rodham Clinton, HRC, Indiana

Why write something when someone you respect writes the same feelings in a far more eloquent way? Kevin Naff, editor of the Washington Blade, writes Hillary, the time has come:

As someone who endorsed Clinton early in the campaign (well before the mainstream media went ga-ga over Obama after his Iowa victory), I saw her as the party's best chance to beat the GOP nominee and the candidate with the most relevant international experience to tackle the myriad crises inflicted on us by George Bush.

Unfortunately, all the talk of experience and competence was belied by a campaign rife with incompetence. From Bill Clinton's ruinous (and arguably racist) campaign swing through South Carolina, to an obvious failure to craft a strategy past Super Tuesday, her campaign staff made so many miscalculations that Hillary went from a coronation to a shocking defeat.

But she didn't emerge victorious and the time has come for her supporters, gay and straight, to embrace Obama's campaign for the White House. The stakes are too high to allow primary race disappointments to demoralize Democratic voters. And the stakes for gay voters are higher.

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton's gay supporters should take a day to mourn her defeat and then join Obama's cause. She's resilient and will bounce back, probably as Senate majority leader, a job much more in line with her skills than that of president.

Like Kevin, I was -- after a major flip about a year ago -- a supporter of the Clinton campaign. I helped raise some money, got to go to a few really cool events and was excited to see someone care about the issues I cared about. Folks I've trusted for over 10 years supported her and had unprecedented levels of access, which is where a lot of change comes from.

It didn't happen. Oh, well. We could have done worse. I don't think my Obama supporting friends are evil (well some maybe, but not over this) and the Hillary fans who would just die if she didn't win...well, they are all alive, eh? We could have had this guy, this guy, this guy, or this guy. We did a lot better. We did great. It's democracy. This spat is over. Let's get on with the war.

Alone, Kevin's words above are important. From Naff's pen they have the gravitas to motivate legions of gays and lesbians to make sure we do not lose this election. I know his piece gives me comfort as I say to my friends still supporting Hillary, "Hey, it's time."


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There is much more to Kevin's post. The full text is here.


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"Folks I've trusted for over 10 years supported her and had unprecedented levels of access, which is where a lot of change comes from."

And so exactly what change did we get in the last 10 years based on all of this purported "unprecedented levels of access." You may be right that as a practical matter that change happens from the top to the bottom; however, Obama and many of his grass root supporters are seeking to change this anachronistic paradigm in order to ensure that going forward change occurs from the bottom up.

The idea that change occurs by "unprecedented levels of access" is exactly the problem in Washington, D.C., and carries with it a sinister connotation at worst (i.e., buying one's way to access) and a noblesse oblige connotation at best (i.e., those in power willing to do something for the voiceless little people).

Sue Hyde | May 8, 2008 1:17 PM

Thanks Mike and Kevin for your gracious commentaries. Time to move on, get organized and deny McBush keys to the White House. The joint is a hot mess so if Obama wins, he's got wreckage to clear and fast. He needs us. We need him.

I do hope that he chooses a woman VP candidate to do some glass-ceiling bustin' in the world of political elites. Not holding my breath for that woman to be Hilary, but how 'bout Granholm or Sibelius or Gregoire (sp?)? A babe w/ cajones to watch his back and grow towards a Presidential run in 2016...is that too much to dream for?

Bill Perdue Bill Perdue | May 8, 2008 2:49 PM

In an interview this morning with USA Today Hillary Clinton said

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

"There's a pattern emerging here," she said. Yes, there is, and we call it racism. Hillary Clinton’s comment about “hard-working Americans, white Americans” is a less cautious reiteration of the blatant racism that Bill Clinton began injecting into her campaign months ago. It’s not that she forgets that working people come in all skin colors and from many ethnicities, but that she wants to appeal to the racism of some Euro Americans.

I’ve been criticized before for saying that the United States is a cesspool of bigotry, but the unfolding election campaign continuously reinforces my opinion. We watched in amazement and anger as powerful anti-GLBT groups in both parties ripped the real ENDA to shreds because it extended the numbers of people who can sue for redress and would have been used by GLBT folks, women and minorities extensively. Then they dropped it and the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Bill to prevent them being used as ‘wedge issues’.

Obama, as expected, caved into that bigotry when we repeatedly denounced Jeremiah Wright for his ‘anti-Americanism’ and Wrights linking of 9-11 to Bush’s abandonment of the Palestinians to the ethnic cleansing and apartheid policies of the zionists. He also caved into bigotry when he used gaybashing vermin like the Rev. Donn and Mary Mary in his campaign. (Wright is likely wrong about the origins of AIDS, but not about the depraved barbarity of the Tuskegee experiment.)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-05-07-clintoninterview_N.htm

Bill Perdue,

You may also be interested to know that on Tuesday night Paul "Begala, a Clinton supporter, said the party could not win in November with just 'eggheads and African-Americans.'"

It's becoming increasingly clear that the Clinton team is attempting to wrest the nomination away from Obama by resort to racial divisions.

However, what Hillary, Begala, et al. ignore is that in determining the Democratic nominee, it is the voters in the Democratic primaries who determine which candidate secures the most pledged delegates and popular votes. It seems that team Hillary now is contending that because Obama may not secure enough uneducated white working class votes in small town and rural America in the general election, the will of the voters in the Democratic contests should be ignored. The logical conclusion of this Hillary analysis is that a white vote in NC should count for more than a black vote in NC when the remaining undeclared superdelegates decide whom to back.

If Paul Begala really believes that Obama should be denied the nomination because "the party could not win in November with just 'eggheads and African-Americans,'" then in the future why doesn't the Democratic Party simply deny us "eggheads and African-Americans" from participating in the primaries since -- according to team Clinton -- our votes should not count in any event.

And in defense of Rev. Wright, he was not the first to "damn" racial atrocities; remember Nina Simone singing Mississippi God Damn?

If Hillary Clinton ever hoped to have the VP position on an Obama ticket, I believe she lost it with her recent racially divisive comments over the last two days in one last ploy to derail the legitimate victory of Sen. Obama. Yes, a female VP would be excellent; however, not Hillary who I believe has done enough damage to the Democratic Party.

I was just saying last night that girlfriend needs to give it up. Sometimes, it's just over. And it's sad when someone doesn't see that. Like when one of your friends stays in a relationship for too long. Or when one of your friends is still wearing pooka shells . . . with everything. Honey, it's over.

Bill Perdue Bill Perdue | May 8, 2008 9:34 PM

History of Gay Bars,

Thanks for the info about Begala. I'm not surprised to see that he doesn’t want to be identified as an egghead. He, Bill, Carville and Hillary are down and dirty political thugs in the tradition of Boss Tweed, LBJ, the KC Machine and Richard Daley. They're about as democratic as the NAM, the Wal-Mart Board of Directors, the Pinkertons or the CIA.

The problem is that the Republicans are dead set on following up on the Clintons now open racism with some sort of ‘Willie Horton’ gambit. They’ve already done preliminary polling to see what they can get away with and used it in North Carolina. It's their only chance to win and they know it.

I could give a damn whether or not the Democrats lose. They’ve demonstrated time and again that they’re our enemy just as much as their Republican cousins. My fear is that these racist offensives by political and religious leaders, just like their gaybashing campaigns, always end up emboldening skinheads and thugs who then go out and murder. And there are plenty of them around: just look at Jena, Louisiana and Oxnard California.

Robert Ganshorn Robert Ganshorn | May 9, 2008 3:58 AM

Oh Bill, was it the gambling losses? Is that what made you so bitter?

Robert Ganshorn Robert Ganshorn | May 9, 2008 8:20 AM

Those of us that care to win the White House, Congress and Supreme Court issues important to us all should remember the inverse of Ron Reagan's golden rule: "Thou shalt not speak ill of another Democrat."

Gaybars put on some Sister Sledge and relax. Let Bill, who doesn't give a damn anyway, worry for all of us.

Relax, Robert. This post is about Obama and not you and Bill Perdue.

The amazing thing to me? We're obviously not the only ones feeling this way. If two weeks ago, we'd put up two posts in two days that said Clinton should resign, they'd have been full of angry comments denying it.

Now? Crickets.

Robert, I love Sister Sledge, and We Are A Family Nice recommendation

Robert Ganshorn Robert Ganshorn | May 10, 2008 12:19 AM

I would like to apologize for my comment #7. It was inappropriate on my part to speculate on anyone else's personal habits.