Robert Ganshorn

Greetings Government Workers!

Filed By Robert Ganshorn | July 26, 2008 11:00 AM | comments

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Tags: Barack Obama, Democratic Party, FDR, John McCain, politics, rumors

My Hoosier Republican ladies are at it again! With the side note "I'm stirring the pot again" she has forwarded the message below to me that she has not written, but believes. Now I would like your help in answering these two farmers in ways beyond my usual efforts. I thought of asking your help because I have already told them if it had not been for a Democrat named FDR bringing rural electrification they would have to read their farm subsidy checks (also a program from Democrats) by candlelight. That is assuming they could afford a candle.

The one that sent me this is also a Republican Election Judge so I guess she has had extensive training in pregnant and dangling chads. She has just returned from a luxury river cruise in Germany, after working for many years for a major public funded university (yet she decries public spending). She treated herself to some jewelry while she was in Europe (and her major income for many years has been in a job that was government supported with tax dollars and from which she will receive a pension).

Although she works for a university, she seems unaware of student scholarships and, because of who she listens to, thinks that Obama has been a charity case his entire life.

Read the email and more after the jump...

This is what showed up in my inbox:

Do I Have This Straight?

*His father was a Black African Muslim from Kenya.

*His Mother was a White American Atheist from Kansas.

*His father left his mother when he was two and went back to Africa by way of Harvard. was his father rich?

*His mother remarried an Indonesian Muslim and moved him to Jakarta where he was enrolled in a Muslim school.

*At high school age his mother sent him to Hawaii and his White grandparents placed him in an expensive private school.

*He later went to Harvard, were his grandparents rich?

*He lives in a 1.4 million dollar house obtained through a deal with a fundraiser. How?

*He worked as a civil rights activist in Chicago; he has never held a productive job that was not government supported.

*He entered politics at the state level and then the national level where he has minimal experience.

*He belonged for over 20 years to an Afro-centric church that hates Whites & Jews and blames America for the world's problems including Aids. He could not confront his pastor, but now he wants us to believe he can confront N. Korea and Iran?

*He has the most liberal voting record in Congress and has consistently voted for big government and higher taxes while curtailing America's ability to fight terrorism.

*I think that the truth is that he hopes no one will put the pieces together.

*He is a good orator, but have you never heard the story about the wolf hiding in sheep's clothing?

*He could destroy us from within, do you not have eyes to see it?

This ended with a request to forward to everyone you know. This is what much of Indiana and middle America believes and what are your reasoned arguments against these perceptions...There is a brief article from the Chicago Tribune covering Obama's real estate purchase because I would like to know more about this issue myself...

I have to ask you projectors at Bilerico Project how you would answer. Please, no profanity, she is a church lady!


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Go point by point with statements of fact and sources for those facts.

Wilson46201 | July 26, 2008 12:59 PM

She was just repeating what petty bigot and smalltown gossip, Gary Welsh, regularly blogs about...

I got this one from my brother in Texas yesterday:

Each year I get to celebrate Independence Day twice. On June 30, I celebrate my independence day and on July 4 I celebrate America 's. This year is special because it marks the 40th anniversary of my independence.

On June 30, 1968 , I escaped Communist Cuba and a few months later I was in the United States to stay. That I happened to arrive in Richmond on Thanksgiving Day is just part of the story, but I digress.

I've thought a lot about the anniversary this year. The election-year rhetoric has made me think a lot about Cuba and what transpired there. In the late 1950's, most Cubans thought Cuba needed a change, and they were right. So when a young leader came along, every Cuban was at least receptive.

When the young leader spoke eloquently and passionately and denounced the old system, the press fell in love with him. They never questioned who his friends were or what he really believed in. When he said he would help the farmers and the poor and bring free medical care and education to all, everyone followed. When he said he would bring justice and equality to all, everyone said "Praise the Lord". And when the young leader said, "I wil be for change and I'll bring you change, everyone yelled, "Viva Fidel!"

But nobody asked about the change, so by the time the executioner's guns went silent the people's guns had been taken away. By the time everyone was equal, they were equally poor, hungry, and oppressed. By the time everyone received their free education it was worth nothing. By the time the press noticed, it was too late, because they were now working for him. By the time the change was finally implemented Cuba had been knocked down a couple of notches to Third-World status. By the time the change was over more than a million people had taken to boats, rafts, and inner tubes. You can call those who made it ashore anywhere else in the world most fortunate Cubans. And now I'm back to the beginning of my story.

Luckily, we would never fall in America for a left leaning young leader who promised change without asking, what change? How will you carry it out? What will it cost America ?

Would we?

Don't you love how they try to use Cuba as the boogeyman in this one? Let's push the "brown person who wants to hurt America" meme a little more, shall we?

Absolutely ridiculous. The more my brother sounds like Wilson's friend, the more embarrassed I become.

Nathanial | July 26, 2008 5:11 PM

Ask her who on EARTH sent her such racist, xenophobic claptrap...

It's killing the candidate through a thousand small rumors. It's not that any of these things - or this email - are deal-breakers, but taken on the whole, people are left with the idea that he has something to hide.

But I especially like the one about him not having "productive" work outside of the government... He was a community organizer before working for the government. Is that not "productive" because he didn't make a lot of money?

Besides the fact that McCain has only worked for the government, his entire life....

Here's a reply.


Speaking as a Right Winger with no great love for Obama - it's a hit piece that weaves fact, incomplete hence misleading fact, some bits I haven't been able to check, and political opinion together. One or two factual errors too, but it's the bits that are left out that are most mendacious.

1. Father - of a muslim family. He converted to christianity, but by the time he hit the US, he was an atheist. "Muslim family" not muslim.

2. Mother - atheist or strong agnostic, accounts differ. She gave religion short shrift anyway. If Obama Sr is a Muslim, she's a Baptist, because of her family background.

By the way, both sets of parents opposed the marriage. And Obama Sr already had a wife in Kenya, so the marriage was bigamous.

3. Father return - he left his family back in Hawaii because he couldn't afford to take them with him to Harvard.

4. Stepfather was Muslim in background, but non-practicing and agnostic. Indonesia is a Muslim country, and Obama went to the normal schools there for boys his age, so technically he went to a muslim school. Some of his education was by correspondence, using a US curriculum.

5. High School - At age 10, Obama had had enough of the less than wonderful educational situation, and his mother agreed to him returning to Hawaii, his grandparents, and an above-average US school. His grandmother was VP of the Bank of Hawaii, and she bankrolled his tuition.

6. College - Obama first went to Occidental College in LA, then Columbia in NY. After gaining his BA, he worked for 4 years for the (private) Business International Corp and the (student funded) NY Public Interest Group. He then went to Chicago, working for the Church-based Developing Communities Project. 7 years of work with no government support. Only then did he gain a position in Harvard Law School, where he was president of the Law Review, and graduated Magna Cum Laude. No idea how he funded it, wouldn't be surprised if grandparents helped, but savings and a loan might have seen him through.

7. Financial shennanigans - Good Question, but that's very common in Chicago politics, and corruption is both universal and bipartisan. It's the Chicago way. Lacking evidence, leave the question open. I'd be astonished if there was no dirty work at the crossroads though.

8. Employment - Demonstrably false - see 6. It is true that he has worked on many public interest areas, but to me as a RWDB, that's what those on the Right *should* do as a matter of personal responsibility. Work with Church groups, not leave it to some Guvinmint bureaucrat who will waste the taxes we pay. End of Op-Ed.

9. Experience - Value Judgement, discard it. (I agree totally, but it's too subjective)

10. Church - true, but discard the last line, that's Op-Ed not fact.

11. Liberalism - Partly false (he's way less liberal than Boxer, Kucinich..), the rest a value judgement. He's to left of centre in the DNC though.

12. Hopes - I think so too, but not being telepathic, this should be discarded as mere opinion.

13. Oratory - He's good, the rest is opinion.

14. Destruction - Useless Op-Ed.

My opinion is that Obama is a demagogue from a city where political corruption taints everyone, no exception. But hit-pieces like this reflect no credit on the authors. They are products of bigotry and malice, and only barely touch on the criticisms which are valid. The fact that McCain gets the same treatment from the Left is no excuse. Aren't we on the Right supposed to be better than that? If not, we are as bad as those on the Left say we are.

I'm Australian - but who the POTUS is affects the whole world, so it behooves us to keep an eye on things. I might also be less subject to political patisanship.

Robert Ganshorn Robert Ganshorn | July 27, 2008 2:13 AM

1. Rob, I have tried facts, I'm looking for deliverance.

2. Wilson, you're right, I sometimes wonder if they even read these things fully through before they forward them.

3. Bil, doesn't it make you wonder sometimes if you were the milkman's kid? I used to wonder that!

4. Nathaniel, I doubt she knows and she has learned how to privatize the shared email sources because the last time I got this type of "bucket O crap" I composed a three page reply and forwarded to all who she had sent it to. (was I over reacting?:)

5. Alex, see number one! I am just glad she did not have a teaching position.

6. Zoe, I am adding you to her email list! No, I wouldn't do that. Australia is too close and you might come to get me! I do wonder why no one gives credit for money in the Obama family to Michelle. She is a top lawyer, she mentored him when they met, and it is surely not the first example of a woman being the primary breadwinner (see McCain).

Robert Ganshorn Robert Ganshorn | July 27, 2008 3:00 AM

Bil, I went to my emails and wouldn't you know, I got the same rehashed letter you did. Did your brother read all of it?

Bill Perdue Bill Perdue | July 27, 2008 7:21 AM

Trash talk in a presidential campaign? Assuming epic proportions and fed by official party organs? Making a mockery of democracy?

Horrors! Please, say it isn’t so.

Actually, tossing fecal bombs at each other is as common as dirt. It allows both parties to exploit bigotry and ignorance and avoid focusing on disquieting political issues like war, the lack of socialized medicine, ballooning oil profiteering and imminent economic failure.

Republicans are intent on widening the racist fissures opened by Bill and Hillary Clinton and supporters like Ferraro. Democrats are concentrating their fire on key issues like McCain’s age , lack of computer skills and malicious marital attitudes.

What they’re fighting for - power and money – are as crude as the their tactics. Obama, a pol from Chicago, is a hustler on the make. And he's not shy about it. He wants to up the ante with ‘faith based’ (read superstitious fueled cults) ‘charities’ (read new luxocar and bigger mansion for swine like the Rev. Donnie McClurkin and pigs like the Rev Pat Robertson). He wants his own collection of pulpit pimps to rival Karl Roves collection. Hallelujah! Dosey Do as bama’s does the “Allemande Right”.

McCain, who was tortured for participating in the bombing of Vietnamese civilians want payback in the form of more genocide, and if he can’t kill Vietnamese he’ll settle for Iraqis, Iranians and Afghans. McCain’s dance is La Danse Macabre.

Although their supporters are in denial both parties toss these fecal bombs to distract voters from the fact that they’re owned lock, stock and barrel by the ruling rich. The rich and their management toadies are the only real threat to the well being of the American people. Relying on them to change themselves is ridiculous. We won’t advance until we build movements and parties to politically obliterate them.

Robert Ganshorn Robert Ganshorn | July 27, 2008 9:08 AM

Bill, I have to believe that Obama is a step in a new and correct direction. The mega wealthy won't give up easily and those among them that support Obama have already allowed that they would support greater taxation on themselves.

My point in sharing this email from Indiana was to underscore the degree to which people willingly swallow half truths in order to mask their bigotry.

The last sentence: "He could destroy us from within" illuminates this call to fear a man who is different from the White Anglo Saxon.

Bill Perdue Bill Perdue | July 27, 2008 10:58 AM

Robert, if you "have to believe" that Obama and the Democrats are 'a step in a new and correct direction' then I have to ask why.

Does "new and correct" encompass gutting ENDA? Junking the carcass of ENDA and the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes bill? Is it because they kept Bill Clintons bigoted DADT and DOMA on the books? Is it because they’re going to continue the genocide in Iraq? Is it because they’re for NAFTA and other union busting measures? Do you like them because they passed a degrading minimum wage of $6.25 an hour instead of the $25.00, full union benefits and socialized medicine that working people need to survive? Was it because Obama and the Democrats gutted the Fourth Amendment (they're really into gutting whatevers good for us, aren't they) to save big business spies from being sued?

The only “new’ item Obama's come up with is his rash, almost demented plan to attack Pakistan, a nuclear power. The rest he has in common with McCain and that rightwing garbage can hardly be called correct. I can see why greedy scum like the Walton litter admire the McCain-Obama program of continued genocide, bigotry and a plunging standard of living for working people but why would anyone else like it?

"He could destroy us from within" is an example of the racist and islamophobic (another form of racism) garbage first used by the Clintons and Ferraro. The Republicans latched on to the Clinton/Ferraro precedent and will run as far as they can with it. How much that will fuel the Bradley Effect in this election is anyone’s guess. It usually deducts 5-10% from the actual vrs. polled support for non-Euro candidates. If Obama pulls way ahead and the race doesn't narrow at the end it may not be the deciding factor. If it works then Hillary's plans to run again sound a little more reasonable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect

Bill Perdue Bill Perdue | July 27, 2008 11:01 AM

Robert, if you "have to believe" that Obama and the Democrats are 'a step in a new and correct direction' then I have to ask why.

Does "new and correct" encompass gutting ENDA? Junking the carcass of ENDA and the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes bill? Is it because they kept Bill Clintons bigoted DADT and DOMA on the books? Is it because they’re going to continue the genocide in Iraq? Is it because they’re for NAFTA and other union busting measures? Do you like them because they passed a degrading minimum wage of $6.25 an hour instead of the $25.00, full union benefits and socialized medicine that working people need to survive? Was it because Obama and the Democrats gutted the Fourth Amendment (they're really into gutting whatevers good for us, aren't they) to save big business spies from being sued?

The only “new’ item Obama's come up with is his rash, almost demented plan to attack Pakistan, a nuclear power. The rest he has in common with McCain and that rightwing garbage can hardly be called correct. I can see why greedy scum like the Walton litter admire the McCain-Obama program of continued genocide, bigotry and a plunging standard of living for working people but why would anyone else like it?

"He could destroy us from within" is an example of the racist and islamophobic (another form of racism) garbage first used by the Clintons and Ferraro. The Republicans latched on to the Clinton/Ferraro precedent and will run as far as they can with it. How much that will fuel the Bradley Effect in this election is anyone’s guess. It usually deducts 5-10% from the actual vrs. polled support for non-Euro candidates. If Obama pulls way ahead and the race doesn't narrow at the end it may not be the deciding factor. If it works then Hillary's plans to run again sound a little more reasonable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect

Robert Ganshorn Robert Ganshorn | July 28, 2008 12:15 AM

I suppose my gratitude would be for a candidate who was not beholden to what we call "the military industrial complex" or the Mafia.

Zoe made an interesting point about Obama being a typical Chicago pol. He is not. He is something entirely different and hard to pigeonhole. He worked with the agents of what I call "agrievement politics" as well as downstate legislators who had farmers for a constituency. He is popular and works well with both.His timing was fortunate due to the demise of a popular Republican governor who had gotten his foot caught in massive corruption charges. The new Democratic governor Rod Blagojevich has been a great breath of fresh air and still remains a a rising star in the democratic party.

I spent my entire life up to the age of 50 engaged in Chicago politics and I am fully aware of the old stereotypes which belong in the 1960's and 1970's. The present Mayor Daley is as different from his father as night and day. He is a "wonk" who gets a true excitement of talking about the efficacy of bond debentures. He is much less interesting than his father, but a far better and cleaner administrator. He puts up with no corruption and looks to unearth it wherever he can find it. The man is tireless and literally has transformed the city by driving down all streets great and small to insure that city services are equitably distributed regardless of who lives where. Hard to believe, but he is truly excellent and even presided over the creation of the "Gay Historical District" in Chicago's "Newtown."

Bill Perdue Bill Perdue | July 28, 2008 7:54 AM

Good answer, Robert.

The last time I visited Chicago I did notice that the streets were in need of repair and I’m glad that a crusading reformer is courageously tackling the Pothole Question. We’ll all sleep better.

However my questions were about other sorts of problems. Questions you don't seem to want to comment on.

For instance look at the question of looming economic disaster. As you well know that’s fueled exclusively by the greed of the uberrich and their toadies. I don’t know of any Democrats, Obama included, who’ve consistently voted against tax breaks for the rich, who support socialized medicine and who favor a $25.00 an hour minimum wage.

The Crash of 1929 and subsequent 12 year depression was caused by gigantic levels of income inequality. The same levels of disparities were reported in the Wall Street Journal two days ago. The WSJ story, based on new IRS reports says “In a new sign of increasing inequality in the U.S., the richest 1% of Americans in 2006 garnered the highest share of the nation's adjusted gross income for two decades, and possibly the highest since 1929. Meanwhile, the average tax rate of the wealthiest 1% fell to its lowest level in at least 18 years. The group's share of the tax burden has risen, though not as quickly as its share of income."

Robert, do you think they should be taxed to pay for the social services we lost so their wealth could become obscenely bloated?

Obama announced that he will continue the war for at least 18 months, which is down from his previous pledge to keep troops there until 2013. The war is about stealing oil. Is 18 more months or mauled GIs coming home in coffins, genocidal levels of civilian causalities and US armed death squads tracking down and butchering our GLBT brothers and sisters worth a higher profit level for Halliburton and Texaco. Obama may even do away with DADT to get desperaely needed cannon fodder.

Robert, why do Democrats support a candidate who'll continue the war?

Obama is a pigheaded opponent of same sex marriage. He wants to use our tax dollars to bribe depraved cult leaders in exchange for votes. The DNC is a hotbed of homophobia led by pentecostal minister Daughtry.

Is that to your liking Robert?

Robert Ganshorn Robert Ganshorn | July 28, 2008 9:21 AM

I was last in Chicago four years ago at this very time I do not know when you were last there Mr. Perdue. The city is glorious and the new Millennium park is a treat. There are many things beyond potholes in running a major city, Bill. Infrastructure issues, police and ambulance response times, security and quality of life issues including safe zones in parks and schools which in Chicago are run by the mayor's office. It is a big job few people are capable of doing well.

As to your other questions they are no where near the subject area of my posting but I'll do my best to share a thought or two with you in order. Of course, I know you are not asking questions, but stating the same things over and again and if Sara Whitman's theory is right you will eventually call me a Nazi :)


A 25.00 minimum wage? Is that without high school? Is that what the kid in the store would be making bagging groceries? I would expect to see elderly ladies having to bag their own groceries. I would further expect to see much less employment generally and much hardship caused to all concerned. There would be fewer stores and service industries at all and those that would be in existence would be expensive, but in German Utopian Socialism that would be no problem.

The pollution problems would be solved because no one could afford to drive and everyone would be underweight, if anything, because milk would be $50.00 a gallon. People who saved and invested for their old age would have wasted their time, but that would be no problem because they would just be so thrilled that all those kids who have not finished high school are making $25.00 an hour for bagging groceries in the few stores that bag groceries.

Of course a plumber will not be working for minimum wage, or a UAW worker, or Teamsters member, but that is all right because their jobs will be elsewhere and we would all have to brush up on our home plumbing skills.

Mr. Obama has insisted that removing the Bush tax cuts for those earning over $250,000 per year is one of his platform planks and I certainly agree with that. The uberrich as you call them will pay their share, but it is important not to dismiss the power of incentive. People who invest anticipate a return on their investment. If taxes become confiscatory capital will move away. Economics 101.

Colin Powell said: "It is the Pottery Barn effect, if you break it you have to pay." Just today, in McCain's attempt to dismiss Obama's opposition to "the surge" McCain insists that it worked in stabilizing the situation. Obama is concentrating that even the Iraqui government now wants us out. You are old enough, I know, to remember the mess we left in Viet Nam. Our present from French Indochina and Charles DeGaule was by far a larger waste of lives and resources than this present mistake (or should we call it a lie told to a frightened American People? Yeah, lets do that). The way we got out, and the people we left to be slaughtered, was the most dishonorable thing I believe our country has ever done, and Richard Nixon, the Mafia fix, became president to preside over it.

We are therefore stuck with resolving this present mistake in an adequate and safe way for our troops, because all future times the United States works internationally in Trade, Human Rights, or any other endeavor we must be seen as people who keep their word.

I am not personally a fan of Gay Marriage, but Civil Unions are supported by Obama. I have said before that an institution with a 50% failure rate is not something I aspire to. I would love to see gay people have all the same rights and stay together to raise their families with a 90% success rate and have all those married persons envy us.

It is going to be a state issue for a while anyway so I find it a tactic of the repugnant Republicans to use a Gay issue to smear Obama. I cannot control the hearts, souls, and minds of all members of a major party like the good old disorganized Democrats, but I can certainly say we are included at the table there. Now, I am sure you will have a response to this Bill, but I shall not be reading it and I doubt anyone else will so do as you like.

Bill Perdue Bill Perdue | July 28, 2008 11:22 AM

Thanks, Ganshorn. It's as I suspected. You're like many Democrats who dismiss the war, the death of GI's and the US policies of arming and abetting the anti-GLBT jihadist death squads as seconday to the partisan goal of electing a president. And you're a perfect spokesperson for the big business policies that are driving our standard of living into the ditch.

I agree with some of you criticisms of marriage, even though they're secondary to the real question of it's use to support a reactionary patriarchal and class system. However I hope you don't abandon the struggle for same sex marriage rights just because McCain and Obama have bigoted views.

Defeating Prop. 8 is our most important task. If we lose it'll be a national loss and not just for those who think marriage is important. It'll be a demoralizing body blow to the GLBT commnities and at the same time a huge invigorating win for the theocrats. That fight is vastly more important than electing another pigheaded opponent of same sex marriage like Obama or McCain. Weren't Clinton and Bush bad enough? Do we really deserve four-eight more years of rule by religious right-centrists like McCAin and Obama?

McCain is a rancid right-winger with the Rev. Pat Robertson attached at the hip.

Obama is Bill Clinton (DOMA, DADT, NAFTA) in drag with the Rev. Donnie McClurkin attached at the hip.

Robert Ganshorn Robert Ganshorn | July 28, 2008 10:00 PM

And in how many ways can you keep attaching people at the hip in drag? Is that still without high School Bill? I hardly dismiss the war or the sacrifices of Americans and Iraqi civilians.

What your Socialist ideas represent are a narrowing of individual choices for people to have an opportunity to thrive if it interferes with the collective good. This translates to us all living to a predetermined mediocre level. Remember Bill, I know you from the fifty cent lectures/workshops on Socialism at Washington State in 1970.

And believe me, with 200 billion a year going just to serve the interest on our national debt I am fully aware of the abuses of government on the purse strings of very working class home and background I have. I know what it is to build a business from nothing Bill. Nothing but a smile, a shoeshine and the will to succeed. I would like to think that everyone, who spent the summer of their 18th year working on a railroad track crew filled with high school dropouts who could not read, would be able to accomplish this. Even if they cannot, they deserve to believe they can accomplish success and realize dreams with their lives. Socialism does not accomplish this and has proven to be an instrument of stagnation.

Bill Perdue Bill Perdue | August 1, 2008 11:42 AM

Robert, sorry it took me so long to reply to you latest tirade but I’ve been busy.

You ask "A 25.00 minimum wage? Is that without high school? Is that what the kid in the store would be making bagging groceries?" How could anyone be so ignorant? Most people on minimum wage are working class adult women, many with children. People trapped in poverty don't have nearly enough to live on and they only go to ER's when they or their children at are deaths door. How can you be so cynical and callous? Oh, I forgot. You're against ”a narrowing of individual choices" for businesspeople and the rich, but not for working people.

Do you believe everything in those mailings from the Chamber of Commerce?

You say "I hardly dismiss the war or the sacrifices of Americans and Iraqi civilians." How can you say that? They're not making sacrifices, they're being sacrificed for your precious corporations like Blackwater, Halliburton and Chevron. No wonder you're pro-war.

You say "if Sara Whitman's theory is right you will eventually call me a Nazi :)" No Robert, I won't. But I have to say that it must be rough to be a gay man trapped in Dan Quayle’s brain. Wasn’t he the one who said “Republicans have been accused of abandoning the poor. It's the other way around. They never vote for us.” Substitute Democrat (sic) for Republican and the politics are exactly the same. And, oddly, isn’t he from Indiana too?

Apparently you didn't learn anything in Seattle or since. I’ve asked a few of the people I knew then if they remember you and they don’t have a clue either. Were you the guy with the smoke bomb?

You wonder "how many ways can you keep attaching people at the hip in drag?" As long as Tweedledee equals Tweedledum. Check out the number of non-voters to get an idea of how many tens of millions of people refuse to get hoodwinked by John Obama and Barak McCain. (And before you say it, they’re NOT lazy, they’re sick and tired of Tweedledee and Tweedledum. Why do bosses always think everyone is lazy?)

Robert Ganshorn Robert Ganshorn | August 2, 2008 3:08 AM

Tirade? Moi?

Having worked for minimum wage I think that I will stand by my previous statement. my first union job bagging groceries, age 16 with union dues and social security deductions.

Individual choices include education Mr. Perdue, and controlling the size of families. Individuals should also have the freedom to make the wrong choices as well without the government keeping them in egalitarian restraints. life is like a piano, you only get out of it the quality you put in to it.

I have indicated a desire for national health coverage Mr. Perdue. I have opposed war and would shrink the military industrial complex to a shadow Mr. Bill along with our military footprint around the world we cannot afford, do not need and which is obsolete anyway. We have no business being in Japan, Korea, Germany or Britain with our forces.

I am nothing like Mr. Quayle. My father was not a publisher, I don't play golf and I have never been accused of being a republican. I lived in Chicago and worked with a community in a drug ridden neighborhood. We Hispanics, Blacks and Caucasions got together over issues of security, drug abatement, children's issues and recreation for people of all ages. I would love to know what you have done to improve the life of a child.

It is comforting though, for me to imagine that you and friends from 38 years ago still get together. Got a secret handshake? Your progress is so impressive. We are just around the corner from becoming a socialist state...