Roberts says “Perdue, As usual, you got it wrong. McCain + Republicans = war”

It’s that history thing again Roberts. If you had any inkling at all about US history you wouldn’t even try to excuse the war policies of either party or their terrible consequences.

You’d know that the US attacked Spain to steal Puerto Rico and murdered tens of thousand of freedom fighters in the Philippines. You’d know that Wilson campaigned to enter WWI on the side of England and France to protect the war loans American bankers made to them and that he invaded Mexico to stifle their Revolution. You’d know that Harding and Coolidge ordered several attacks on Latin American countries. You’d know that that Kennedy attacked Cuba to end their Revolution and that LBJ attacked Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and the Dominican Republic. And you’d know that Clinton and Bush are responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Afghans and over a million Iraqis. It's not war, it's genocide. You’d know that in all these wars, including the present one that Republicans and Democrats supported one another’s wars.

Apparently you don’t know any of that. The only thing you do know appears to be limited to “My Country, right or wrong”.

Polar when you support McCain/Obama style ‘Iraqization’, ‘phased withdrawal’ and continuing the US invasion of Afghanistan you‘re simply supporting a continuation of the war. And it’s extension into Pakistan. a plan favored by both Obama and Biden, even though Pakistan has nukes and Biden calls it the most dangerous country in the world.

Iraq is a rehash of Vietnam. “Vietnamization’ becomes ‘Iraqization’, ‘phased withdrawal’ is the same and Cambodia and Laos become Iran and Pakistan. After Nixon was elected with fake promises to end the war with Vietnamization and phased withdrawal it took seven long years for the Vietnamese resistance and the GI and civilian antiwar movements to compel American withdrawal and the unification of Vietnam.

Saying “You vote for the best of the two” is an admission of defeat. It's not the best of the two it the lesser evil and voting for Obama of McCain conforms to the plans of Halliburton and Texaco to continue and widen the war and of other corporations to pursue even more union busting anti-worker laws like NAFTA and to keep ENDA gutted. It accepts that the GLBT communities are not worth mentioning by name and their joint policy of pandering to bigots. It agrees that working people and farmers in Canada, the US and Latin American will have to undergo more steep declines in our standard of living because of Clintons NAFTA, which both support. Voting for a lesser evil accepts condemning people to death because they both pigheadedly oppose socialized medicine.

The bad news for both parties is that we won't accept it. In fact we’ll fight your parties tooth and nail.

“Comparing Barack Obama to John McCain is akin to comparing Albert Schweitzer to Albert DeSalvo” is a kinda way too 'true believerish' and way over the top. Actually they agree on lots of things from the war, to pandering to christians and on economic issues, to name but a few. There are no substantial differences between them.

shakay, ABC Australia reports that there were 5,000 police and thousands of antiwar demonstrators in Denver.

Your facts may come from news sources accostomed to self-censorship. That's not uncommon since the Paytriot act was passed. Or maybe the Australians were just engaging in a little anti-American reporting. I'll keep reading the foreign press and the left press to get the full story.

Your pro-war dismissal of the antiwar movement is on a par with your shakay, ABC Australia reports that there were 5,000 police and thousands of antiwar demonstrators in Denver.

Your facts may come from news sources accostomed to self-censorship. Thats pretty common since the Paytriot act was passed. Or maybe the Australians were just engaging in a little anti-American reporting. I'll keep reading the foreign press and the left press to get the full story.

Your pro-war dismissal of the antiwar movement is on a par with your deliberate naïveté in projecting your 'dreams' onto a pair of politicians who don't give a rat's ass about the GLBT communities.

"Then as now, fools were running around saying "there's no difference". I have one word for that: BALDERDASH!"

Such language!

Here is the only done real difference I can see.
The owners and leaders of the Republican Party are pro-war, anti-worker and saturated with homophobes, racists and misogynists. They depended on the christers, who are anti-GLBT bigots for the most part, to get elected and now they're owned by them. TRepublicans no longer bother to lie about it.

The owners and leaders of the Democratic (sic) Party are pro-war (like you), anti-worker and saturated with homophobes, racists and misogynists. They’re pandering to the christer vote, largely composed of anti-GLBT bigots, and if that group elects them they’ll own them. Democrats have an increasingly hard time lying about it.

McCain and Obama agree on continuing the genocide. The blood of countless deaths will be on their hands, and the hands of their supporters. The antiwar movement is pledged to stop them.

McCain and Obama agree on Free Trade Agreements, opposition to socialized medicine and doing nothing to alleviate poverty.

McCain and Obama both oppose same sex marriage and their parties cooperated to rub out our agenda. They compete for the christist vote.

Lets be clear who we're talking about in terms of these christers. The three abrahamic religions and their various cults share an irrational hatred of GLBT folk. Quakers, unitarians, some Jewish cults and a tiny number of islamist cult leaders are exceptions. All the big cults are our sworn enemies and the difference between the pope and protestant leaders and the Iranian ayatollahs is one of ability to do us harm, not intent.

I can't follow your reasoning on the war. Vietnamization was a total failure if your intent, as ours was, was to end the war and save lives. We didn't give a damn about US commercial and political interest then and we don't now.

Vietnamization and phased withdrawal were failures because the ‘phrases’ were strung out over seven years, involved deliberate terror bombing and massive napalming of civilian targets (that’s why McCain got shot down and punished by the Vietnamese), deliberate and widespread chemical warfare, the invasion of Cambodia and Laos and the collapse of those nations. In short – genocide, just like Iraq.

That's a failure in my book because my sympathies lie with working people, not the rulers of any nation. Nor did Vietnamization save the Quisling government. It fell like a house of cards. Vietnam was reunified and independent. That’s what ended the war then and a similar process will end this one, and the sooner the better because if Obama or McCain are allowed to stay the killing will go on for years, and spread.

"I'd rather have Hamid Karzai running Afghanistan than the Taliban."

Sorry to be blunt Polar, but I have a newsflash for you. You're an American and it's none of your damn business who rules Afghanistan or any other country. The Afghans, Palestinians, Iraqis, Pakistanis and the Iranians are the only ones who can win against the islamists and the ruling rich of their nations and the longer the US is in the region the longer that will take.