Waymon Hudson

It's Not God Saying Gays Should Be Put to Death, It's YOU

Filed By Waymon Hudson | February 24, 2010 4:00 PM | comments

Filed in: Fundie Watch, Living, Marriage Equality
Tags: Bible, Lauren Ashley, Leviticus, Miss Beverly Hills, Pastor Martin Ssempa, Uganda

Alright. Let's get one thing straight, fundie homophobes- you don't get a pass when you "quote" the Leviticus Bible verse saying:

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If man lies with a man as he would lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death and their blood shall be upon them.

This may come as a shock to the "hate the sin, love the sinner" set, but by quoting that verse, it's not God saying that gays should be put to death- it's YOU. It's not simply a personal religious view or a debatable "political difference" or a great talking point. YOU are saying that I should be put to death.

This week we've heard it from everyone from a Ugandan Pastor to another California Beauty Queen, Miss Beverly Hills 2010 Lauren Ashley. And despite them both saying they 'don't hate gay people', there's not much love in saying I should have 'blood upon me.' That's not really a debatable point.

Of course we've all heard that Leviticus quote in every debate about homosexuality and LGBT rights that comes up. Everyone from Focus on the Family to politicians to Westboro Baptist Church throws that verse up as a bump-sticker quote that explains why they hate us- and why it's beyond their control that they do.

images.jpegThey just can't help it- God says so.

Uganda's Porn Peddling Pastor Martin Ssempa uses the quote to explain why his country should pass the "Kill the Gays" Bill, even while at the same time he says he doesn't hate gays. It's just about the act, not the person. It's out of his hands- that verse means we should die. It's not up to him.

6a00d8341c2ca253ef01310f309a66970c-400wi.jpgEven the new Miss Beverly Hills 2010 Lauren Ashley uses the verse to explain why it's okay if she hates the gays:

The Bible says that marriage is between a man and a woman. In Leviticus it says, 'If man lies with mankind as he would lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death and their blood shall be upon them.' The Bible is pretty black and white.  I feel like God himself created mankind and he loves everyone, and he has the best for everyone. If he says that having sex with someone of your same gender is going to bring death upon you, that's a pretty stern warning, and he knows more than we do about life.

Yet in the same breath, she says she personally doesn't hate gays, we just have a friendly difference of opinion:

That isn't really the issue. I have a lot of friends that are gay, and ... I have a lot of friends who have different views, and we share our views together.

See? It's not Miss Beverly Hills who thinks you should die- just ask her gay friends!

This verse has become a homophobic cover for people to try to wash their hands of the damage they are doing and the violent, extremist views they hold. It's become an accepted talking point for bigots and haters, parroted without any real thought about the consequences of saying a swath of people should be killed because their personal idea of 'God says so.' (Oddly, the same people breeze over other 'abomination' verses in the same book and put on their mixed fiber clothing and eat their shrimp scampi after church.) I've personally heard that 'gays should be killed verse way too much in my life. It's what started my life as an activist when a skycap played it over the intercom in Fort Lauderdale Airport as a joke. Because saying I should die is simply hilarious.

Think it's a stretch to mention the Ugandan Pastor and a California Beauty Queen in the same post? It's not. It's the "trickle down" hate effect. Leaders crow about how gays should die and then small-minded bigots use it in casual conversation. It's all the same hate.

That's why it's important that we don't give passes to people like Miss Beverly Hills. She invoked 'death for gays' in a discussion on gay marriage (and pageants) and wasn't challenged by the interviewer. That's how accepted the talking point has become. That's what we are facing.

And that's why we have to always call it out.

Let's be clear: when you trot out this Bible verse, you are endorsing it, embracing it, and wrapping yourself in it. No amount of "I have gay friends", "it's just the act", or excuse-making will soften it. YOU are saying I should be killed.

You can't wipe your hands of it, you can't act shocked when violence happens to LGBT people, and you can't distance yourself from it. YOU own it. YOU are part of it.

And no amount of fancy pageant walking will change that.


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God bless you for writing this! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Funny how they also slide over the Biblical dictums that adulters are be executed, as are women who marry who arent virgins... but hey, you know, that's completely different!

The laughable "rationale" behind keeping this one Levitical law kicking while the others are left behind is that "Paul says so!" Yes, good ol' Paul, who also said that, during that "special time of the month", women were not allowed in the temple "lest she make it unclean". And if her husband even so much as touches her during that time, *he*'s "unclean" and cant enter the temple either.

But that doesnt matter. It's all about how terrible we fags are.

Well, based on Ms. Prejean, I wonder what little pieces of heavenly retribution will come out of her closet. God dont like it when you screw around with His word.

Well done! Posted to DIGG, Reddit (LGBTReddit), and my Facebook profile.

Now we have another California Beauty Queen, Miss Beverly Hills 2010 Lauren Ashley, expressing using Biblical quotes to express homophobic ideas. If she had expressed pro-Gay views as Miss Beverly Hills she would have probably got little if any media attention.

Could this simply be a way for her to gain public/media attention and like so many
other controversial individuals used this to launched a career and benefit in terms of dollars?

Oy, another one. Maybe she should go for the "Miss Uganda" crown?

Lauren Ashley is a fraud, who uses homophobic rhetoric to gain fame. The City of Beverly Hills condemns her comments and say that she doesn't represent them in ideology or in any pageant. Check out the L.A. Times article about it -

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/02/beverly-hills-disavows-beauty-contestant-and-her-comments-on-samesex-marriage.html

Ha! You beat me to it!

That being said, the point remains the same- these bigots can't wrap themselves in the Bible and absolve themselves of blame and calling for "death to gays". It's our job to call them to at every turn.

Even better? It looks like she's a fraud (well, more of one than ever we though). From the Advocate:

On Wednesday, Beverly Hills officials released a statement saying the city was shocked by Ashley’s position and by her supposed title as Miss Beverly Hills. The city “does not sponsor a beauty pageant and has no association with Miss California USA,” the statement said. “As such, there should be no individual claiming the title of Miss Beverly Hills.” In fact, according to Beverly Hills officials, Ashley lives in Pasadena, Calif., and, therefore “does not represent Beverly Hills in any capacity.”

Way to vet your bigots, media....

Somehow, that doesn't surprise me. I was wondering how she could have been considered for the Miss California USA pageant considering she is, let's admit, a wee bit on the fugly side...

The worst part is when they try to obfuscate their desire to kill us by saying, "We just want to punish homosexual acts! We don't hate gay people!"

That's like saying, "I have nothing against Christians. I just think going to church and praying should be capital crimes."

Slavery is approved by the Bible. I don't see many right-wing African American ministers standing up for that one.

Perfectly said - THIS. This is why we are dying - becuase hate is accepted and acceptable and even calling for a widescale massacre of all gay people is seen as acceptable language.

It's not acceptable and it's about time we stopped treating bigotry and an acceptable point of view

Yup.
Out here we say, "just call the spade a fucking shovel and dig."
You did.

Matthew 7:1-8

"1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."

So fine, for every bible thumping moron out there that throws scripture in our face and says we should be put to death, they are visiting death upon themselves. The wages of sin are death after all. ALL SIN! Including Judging someone else when only God is permitted to do that.

74 years from now they will have a routine vaccination that will prevent people from becoming judgmental, homicidal, morons. It will fix the fanatical gene in these people once and for all. I just can't wait!

a couple thoughts here:

miss ashley (and they say there's no god!) is featured prominently at the buying beauty tv.com website, which is...wait for it...a plastic surgery website.

you might want to consider taking a visit to the site to offer a few thoughts in the comments area of each of her several videos...

and since we're talking bible here, i wonder what miss ashley might have to say about 1 timothy 2:

(1) First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, (2) for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. (3) This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, (4) who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. (5) For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, (6) who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time. (7) For this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying), a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.

(8) I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; (9) likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, (10) but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works. (11) Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. (12) I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. (13) For Adam was formed first then Eve; (14) and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. (15) Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.

in other words, lauren, if you want to get all "i'm so jesus" about all this: the literal word of god is that you should shut up and let a man tell you what to think...while having babies.

now that's not the world i would choose, and i hope she eventually ends up getting smarter than she looks right now...but if that's how she wants to judge things, then let her be judged by her own standards.

Typical homophobes grasping at straws to justify their hatred.

You forgot to mention that the Hebrew that is translated into abomination, is To-eh-va, which actually means unclean. The same way the old Testament describes wearing clothes of mixed fiber, eating pork or shellfish. All prohibitions that the holier-than-thou hatred filled people conveniently forget. Also, since Christians are not bound by any of these edicts, why do these cretins use them selectively to "prove" their "rightness". They should be consistent and apply all of the edicts in Leviticus. If we took this interpretation literally, we could justify putting nearly anybody to death.

This is an oldie but goodie.
http://www.religiousconsultation.org/News_Tracker/Dr_Laura_homosexuality_and_Leviticus.htm

By the way was that the old or the new testament that, that came out of. Because the new testament according to God superseeds the old. If you beleive that Christ is the Son of God and that he died on the cross for your sins, then you shall have eternal life. That statement was for all his creation, not just a few because God knows that all people will sin and are not perfect. Oh what about two gendered people? What are the rules on that according to the bible. Are we considered men or women? I am intersex,, do I die to or can they really use the bible to tell me who and what I really am. God loves, he doesnt hate. That is the devil. And anyhow who wrote that verse? man or God?????? Debbie Wuco Intersex warrior

Robert Ganshorn Robert Ganshorn | February 25, 2010 8:45 AM

Get yourself a coy of "Misquoting Jesus" and feel the burn!

Waymon is absolutely right when he says: "You can't wipe your hands of it, you can't act shocked when violence happens to LGBT people, and you can't distance yourself from it. YOU own it. YOU are part of it."

That applies to pigs like Ssempa, to our homegrown swine like Jimmy Swaggart and to sows like Prejean and Ashley. They and priests, der papenfuehrer, ayatollahs and bishops, pastors, rabbis and imams all over the world create a hate filled climate of violence. Over the last few years that's escalated uncontrollably and in some countries like Iran and US occupied Iraq the victims number in the thousands. No continent and no region is free of these murders. Now the wave of violence is spreading to Africa.

Most people would agree with that and with the guilt of cult leaders.

But some are unwilling to apply the same standards and conclusions when judging the bigotry of politicians. That endangers all of us. In truth opposition to any part of our agenda for equality is nothing less than bigotry and as we've seen in Iran and many other places, bigotry unchecked leads to violence.

It's all part of the cherry-picking that people who subscribe to religion do. I'll support whatever I like and what I don't, I will conveniently gloss over.
The Old Testament says that it's abominable to be gay or trans. Period. It also says as many pointed out above that death awaits you for many other ridiculous conditions or acts which are also defined as abominable. Where's the outrage at and outlawing of shellfish eating? How many Christians do you know that eat strictly Kosher food? How many children have been killed for cursing their parents? What about wearing a garment made by weaving two kinds of material or dudes trimming their beard?
I think it's time that Christians were honest with themselves and realize that we don't live in a world where claiming Bronze-Age traditions is a viable solution. You can say you are inspired by Jesus Christ or whomever, but don't say that this or that line should be considered the word of God and should be followed to the letter unless you are ready to follow all of the other ones. And you know what? Don't blame your God for your shortcomings of faith, I'm sure His All-Knowingness is *not* pleased.

I know, I'd love to meet those gay friends. I'm sure it's the same gay friend Sarah Palin, Rick Warren, etc., have.

I'm curious Waymon, if you understand that she was taught this as a small impressionable child and continues to believe it is "God talking," how do you fix that?

I'm not sure suggesting that they are in fact "her words" solves the problem. How do we actually solve the problem? It's important.

The first step is by not giving people a pass, which saying she's an impressionable girl and that "God says so" is tantamount to (the point of the post is that we shouldn't let people use that as an excuse.

By making these words mean something and stick to the people that say them, which would have real consequences, we move the debate beyond the conversation stopper that is "God says so." People like her get away with saying "gays should be killed" without any real consequences or challenge, which embolden them to continue to say it, act on it, and pass it on to another generation. We have to stop the cycle.

But "people like her" get to believe that. It is freedom of religion. Many Christians still teach those Biblical passages as the literal word of God. None of us can prove they are not, just as they cannot prove they are.

In 2010, two-thirds of religious people do NOT see the Bible as literal,, but rather inspired or helpful. I just don't see the benefit of calling these particular "believers" wrong. Or somehow making the suggestion that they are expressing their thoughts and not "God's words."

I don't think we help ourselves by simply trying to make someone's religious beliefs "right or wrong." Accusing this faux beauty queen of wanting to kill gays because she believes what she was taught (and many people believe) still doesn't solve the problem.

It may be more effective to laugh and marginalize these people. Literal-interpretation Christians are the fastest declining minority in America. It's not because WE attack them, it's because knowledge enlightens them.

We can be much more effective by embracing the two-thirds of Christians that have evolved enough to embrace equality and common sense. They are actually helping us marginalize fanaticism. They would also help us achieve full equality. We risk that possibility when we attack their religious cousins - even if they fully agree they're a bit crazy.

It sounds like we're saying the same thing- these literalists need to be separated from the other two-thirds as extremists. We can marginalize the extremists by pointing out the extreme things they say that exist outside of what the majority of religious people think. That shows the more even-mided folks that they have more in common with us than with them.

Also, yes, she can believe and say anything she wants- she has that freedom. That doesn't absolve her of consequences or political and societal push-back from her words and beliefs. I, and others, also have the freedom to point out how horrendous what she says is. It's a two way street.

The extremists are marginalizing themselves. If we NEED to enroll the other two-thirds that are likely to support our equality, we CANNOT attack their brethren. While the majority of religious people are no longer literalists, they still consider themselves related.

The problem with "calling out" religious people is we are making them wrong. That doesn't compute with religious beliefs. In fact, I don't think Miss Beverly Hills is a bigot - she simply has some "bigoted beliefs." The problem is SHE believes she got them from God. That makes them immutable. Slapping her will not change her mind. If she sees people laughing at her and dismissing her as ignorant, she might (tiny "might") think twice.

I believe the best strategy for dealing with religious people (for LGBT people) is to leave religion out of it. The effective way to gain support from this group would be to enroll them in the human principle of equality, while not disputing their beliefs. Research I've conducted indicates two-thirds of the people professing to be "religious" actually support the principle of equality. So, fuck the one-third. You know, metaphorically - by ignoring them.

I don't think I really disagree with you. I just think our community has a roll in calling out and helping to marginalize extremists. If there is never any pushback, how will people see that their views are extreme. They just keep perpetuating themselves.

I think driving a wedge so the majority of religious folk don't see themselves as related to these nutbags is a valid strategy. It works with people like Westboro Baptist Church. It's worked with taking the religious argument out of race and women's right's debates (for the most part)- it's no longer seen as a valid political argument to say "the Bible endorses Slavery, so we should too" or "the Bible says women are our property." Again, the feelings still exists, but they aren't mainstreamed like the anti-gay arguments are.

When we can use the extremists to help in our case of separating religious belief from civil equality, then we should. And I agree- fuck the one-third. LOL :)

I agree with much of what you say, but you're not addressing the fact that many of these indoctrinated-when-too-young-to-think Christians are rather helpless. They BELIEVE in a clinical way (Twilight Zone music in the background) that they are simply speaking God's words. You're just slapping their mostly innocent faces.

To drive the wedge you speak of requires Christians to disavow the Bible. That won't happen. Let the one-third sit in the corner with their Old Testament. Let them hum or chant or sing to the skies like zombies - THEY are NOT a threat. They're just mis-informed or infected. If we ever find a cure, we'll rescue them. But, until them I just can't see the benefit of promoting them and repeating their bigoted beliefs.

I have a few wonderful, gay Christian friends who refuse to talk about religion - ever. They only talk about humanity and equality. The disagreements about varying Christian beliefs is, in their words, "something for Jesus to sort out .... someday." I can wait for Jesus, but I can't wait for our equality.

Some may be zombies (the argument could be made for Ashley), but many spout off with these verses knowing full well what it means what it triggers in people. i don't think of many of them as "innocent" at all. This verse has been said during hate crimes, been used as reasons to pass "kill the gays" legislation (like in Uganda) and many other horrible acts.

So I disagree that these extremists aren't a threat. In fact, I know from personal experience that this verse in particular sets the fundies in a rage and provokes violence- when it happened to my husband and I at the airport, we ended up having people spit at us in the grocery store, come to our house with sticks, and had to have police protection for weeks. Extremist rhetoric breeds extremists acts. The sooner we can push these people to the margin, the better.

The only thing I think we really disagree on is how to do it- you seem to want to wait and let time and generational shifts in demographics take care of them, while I want to help push them to the fringe a little sooner by shining a light on them.

Think of Westboro as an example- it was a combination of LGBT community efforts & backlash and views on LGBT people shifting with time that moved them to the nutty fringe that no one takes very seriously.

Sorry, Waymon - I didn't say anything about "waiting." I said you are prolonging their impact by promoting them.

I said ignore them and let them marginalize themselves.

When we counter-protest Westboro Baptist we join them, on their level. They don't need our help. Other Christians (or religious people) have moved them to "the fringe," along with us.

Extremists represent less than one-third of all religious people, but when you repeatedly promote them they appear much more threatening, powerful and intimidating. They are not.

People are perfectly free today to be prejudiced against African-Americans, Hispanics, whoever, and many certainly are. Some are very vocal about it, but they don't get a free pass. Society looks askance at them, and they are marginalized. The reality is that even many people who might feel uncomfortable in a large group of African-Americans or Hispanics or whoever, still don't find such over the top bigoted statements and actions as those made by the likes of Klan members and Skinheads to be acceptable, and even a lot of people who are prejudiced realize the consequences and at least keep their mouths shut.

I think the point that Waymon is trying to make is that society has not yet gotten to that place when it comes to homosexuality. We're the last group who it's OK to openly voice your hate against.

So people who do go out and say such outrageous things are in fact wrong. They are misinterpreting the Bible (or just listening to someone who is), but you have to be responsible for your own words. Wrong is wrong, and one of societies problems is we've become timid about calling out "wrong." We will never stop everyone from hating gay people and being bigoted, but it has to become unacceptable in our society to say such stupid things about gay people or anyone else, and we get there by pointing out that it's WRONG.

I am starting a new religion!
It's called "Send money to me!"

I will bless you according to the amount of money you send me!

Rules
1. No killing of people that are born for any reason!

2. Love each other! Including sex if you want.

3. Send me money!

4. No sex with animals! Unless there are no people to have sex with near you!

5. Send me money!

Please feel free add to this as long as 2 out of 5 say "Send me money!"
I know the 5 rules above are controversial so let the controversy begin!

didi - the new testament SUPERCEDES the old testament according to you and those that believe in Jesus, HOWEVER there are still some of us that believe the old testament is the first and last word. also, please check your spellcheck or dictionary before you start spewing. thank you.

didi - the new testament SUPERCEDES the old testament according to you and those that believe in Jesus, HOWEVER there are still some of us that believe the old testament is the first and last word. also, please check your spellcheck or dictionary before you start spewing. thank you.

When are we all going to wake up and realize RELIGION IS THE PROBLEM.
Imagine - No religion.

Crystal L | March 2, 2010 8:06 AM

2 Timothy 3:16 all scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Three gay men named Sam, Rick, & Joe went to church. The preacher stood up and preached about the sins of fornication, adultery and homosexuality. Sam stood up and started clapping his hands in protest of the sermon. Rick stood up and followed suit with the protest and started clapping his hands also. Joe lowered his head and as a tear dropped to the ground and said "God be merciful to me a sinner!"

Tell me which of the three men went home justified that day?

Tell me which of the three men is doing the work of their father the devil?

Tell me which of the three men is the one who has the blood of Rick on his hands?

If any person who comes to Jesus Christ,
and don't love Jesus Christ over,
their father,
or their mother,
or their spouse,
or their children,
or their brothers,
or their sisters,
or even their own life,
they are not able to be a followers of Jesus Christ!


Finally, God's word is powerful, a double edged sword. Be very careful how you use it or try to teach it, the sword can be turned on you. There is one thing I have read that I agree upon, God is love. Sin is sin...from gossip to hating your brother, if you hate your brother because he's gay, it's just like murder to the Lord.

Then the Holy Spirit who alone can make us what we ought to be, can accomplish His work within our lives.

Peace & Blessings~

twinkie1cat | March 2, 2010 11:44 AM

No, Waymon, it is far from inappropriate to talk about the Ugandan pastor and the so-called beauty queen in the same article. They are both doing the same thing: Using the rule of Law in the age of Grace. Jesus said that when he died the old would pass away and all things would become new. Our relationship with God changed with the death and ressurection of Jesus Christ. We are no longer under Old Testament Law as Christians. The law was meant for the ancient Hebrews whom God meant to set apart from the heathens because they had a problem, over and over, with idol worship. God wanted to keep the lineage of Jesus Christ pure so God separated the chosen people.

Both the pastor and the woman are doing what people who really have not "studied the Bible to show themselves approved before God" and picked verses out of the context of to whom and why they were written.

The little airhead did not even know the passage in question. She just knew it was in the Bible somewhere. I would almost guarantee she would have trouble even finding the book of Leviticus. She would be better served by reading the biblical admonitions about dressing modestly! But that is a fundie for you. Their knowledge of the Bible is like a puddle after the rain, quick to come, quick to go, and very shallow. Jesus referred to the milk of the gospel. Those are the basic learnings that don't take much development in one's spirituality to understand.

As for the Ugandan pastor, he is not an airhead. The Bible also covers him when it says for everyone not to decide to be pastors and church leaders because they will be held more responsible for their teachings. He would be wise to heed this warning. He knows exactly what he is doing. Often pastors, especially males, have big egos and intentionally inflame the congregation because it fills the offering plate. (Jeremiah Wright, Al Sharpton, Jimmy Swaggart, Jesse Jackson, and Pat Robertson are among these.) But they only come out against "sins" that don't offend the big givers. The pastor can be having sex with the church secretary and be watching 10 pregnant girls making out with their boyfriends in the balcony and rant about homosexuals. The Ugandan pastor needs to leave the milk alone and get to the meat of the gospel so that his congregation can grow in their faith.

There's one big HUGE fact you all overlook and should be spreading as much as possible; The Leviticus quote has NOTHING to do with gay sex.

I the English Language vernacular AT THE TIME of first english translation, the words Lie and Lay were not interchangable. To "lie" had ONLY one meaning; dishonesty. To mean sex, the quote would HAVE to use the word "LAY" in the time it was translated. There is absolutely NO wiggle room around this historical fact of language.

Leviticus has nothing to do with sex, it's a reinforvement of female inferiority. What the translation is really saying is it's okay to lie to your women, they're just property after all, but God forbid you lie to a guy. It's basically the Bible version of "Bros before hos dude!".

Remember THAT fact and use it whenever possible to deflate it's misuse as anti-gay excuses.

Well - actually - whether this or that god hates gays is secondary. It IS men who made up this god in the first place (and from the language of the bible - pretty hetero patriarchal full-of-themselves type men). So naturally this god spouts out the kind of things that these men think anyway. So yes, it is phobic humans who, thru this made up god, think homosexuality is an abomination.

If only humans would now lavish love on the environment with the same passion they give to this made-up god - the planet may have a chance.

The 3 "great" religions exist as just a moral excuse for people to hate each other.

It's not 'just homophobes' who believe in the homosexual prohibition of the Bible. I am a Christian gay man who believes gay sex is wrong but I believe in the right of everyone to believe what they choose. Don't forget people like me who believe the Bible but are not on a hate campaign.

this verse that you quote so dearly is in the old testament, where every sin that was committed had to be forgiven through a sacrifice made by the community. Jesus Christ came down because God wanted to have a deeper relationship with us. because GOD wanted to have an intimate relationship He sent down the ultimate sacrifice... so that all we have to do is SEEK forgiveness. and we as sinners have no right to judge others according to the sins they commit because everything that we do is sinful by nature. being hypocritical and JUDGING others is not what christians are supposed to do. understand that you represent THE ALMIGHTY God, so please watch what you say... cause you can be turning away a soul.