Alex Blaze

I doubt this is just Republicans...

Filed By Alex Blaze | February 03, 2010 2:00 PM | comments

Filed in: Living, Marriage Equality
Tags: child care, Daily Kos, poll, Republicans, research 2000, schools, survey

I've been saying for a while on this site that education is either the most or among the most homophobic sectors of the workforce, something that generally gets ignored since people don't really know what to do with it or about it. And now there's some more proof, as DailyKos commissioned a poll through Research 2000 of Republicans to make them look stupid, as if that's hard to accomplish. Here's one of the questions (the other gay questions are after the jump):

Should openly gay men and women be allowed to teach in public schools?

Yes 8
No 73
Not Sure 19

It's about the same result as the question about same-sex marriage, which shouldn't be surprising since the main arguments against same-sex marriage usually focus on children and "gay marriage taught in schools."

There is a place in the limbic brain that imagines the worst whenever "gay" and "children" are put in the same sentence, and so I think it would have been more interesting, to me as a queer blogger, if the poll asked all Americans this question and then broke down the results based on party. Alas, this poll wasn't conducted to find out more about LGBT issues in the US, but to play in the Democrat/Republican horse race.

Still, I'm honestly not sure America as a whole would be much better on that question.

Here are all the LGBT questions (no ENDA, of course):

Should openly gay men and women be allowed to serve in the military?

Yes 26
No 55
Not Sure 19

Should same sex couples be allowed to marry?

Yes 7
No 77
Not Sure 16

Should gay couples receive any state or federal benefits?

Yes 11
No 68
Not Sure 21

Should openly gay men and women be allowed to teach in public schools?

Yes 8
No 73
Not Sure 19

I'm not surprised marriage ended up so low, but apparently, for all the right's talk about the military being a special place where gays can't share showers with straight soldiers, it's a man's environment, unit cohesion, schools hold a special place for them.

Thank goodness we don't have a ban on gays in schools. If we think lifting the military ban is hard, a schools ban would be near impossible since reason wouldn't be heard over the screams of "Homosexuals want to indoctrinate children!!!"


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Alex;
Some Americans did get to vote on that issue decades ago; it was called the Briggs amendment in California and equality won.

And the gays lost similar initiatives in other states, including Oklahoma and Arkansas.

Plus that was several decades ago, before the country had really swung back to the right. Not that I'm worried about a ballot initiative like that actually passing nowadays. The right's probably moving on to adoption ballot initiatives.

Alex,

A better way to determine whether or not someone is anti-LGBT is religious intensity. The more religious a person is the more likely they are to be anti-LGBT. That's because it's what they were taught.

Gallup did this Poll for all 50 states:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/114022/State-States-Importance-Religion.aspx

Having lived in three states that had amendments/propositions on the ballot, I feel that what individuals say in public and the way individuals actually vote in the privacy of a polling place at very different.

In each of these states, most everyone we, as an openly couple, spoke with expressed pro-LBGT positions. When the votes were counted, all the
anti-LGBT amendments/propositions passed by wide margins.

Based on studies done after the polling, the most anti-LGBT group of individuals were African-Americans.

I agree that this was certainly rigged. We've all seen Democrate all too willing to wrap themselves in the flag and the cross when it comes to DoMA. I dont think much of the GOP, but this really was a low blow.

I don't know about actually "rigged," if you mean "fake." Research 2000 is an independent polling firm that's been fairly reliable in the past and there's no evidence that they faked this one.

It's not that there's something fishy about only poling Republicans, it's just that it's incomplete data. It's crazy more people don't agree with us, but do we know the problem doesn't include independents or Dems?

If you're blaming the results of this poll on the lack of education about gay people, you are right. But I question putting the blame on the "education workforce." I suspect that any anti-gay bias in this field rests with the parents, not the teachers.

And can you blame those gays who choose not to become teachers? Why expose oneself to the ignorant vitriol and paranoia of parents who fear that you might "recruit" their little darling into the "homosexual lifestyle."

I blame these stats on organized fundamentalist Christianity, pure and simple. The Religious Right has become so intimately and deeply entrenched in our country's halls of power, nothing can stop it. And its propaganda network is so well-funded and far-reaching, we are virtually powerless over it. Their message reaches into the churches of virtually every small town in America. How do you fight that? When you figure it out how, let me know.

"Hey don't ya know that letting those kids around LGBT types is how the LGBT community propagate?" "I mean if we keep the LGBT types from being teachers and so on sooner or later the LGBT types would all go away." I know this sounds crazy to most who would be reading it here, but I was told this almost word for word by a few people I know. Since we are not the same as everyone else - heterosexual-, and are identified by a sexual classification - like being heterosexual isn't-, we must all be fixated on Sex. I have been told by someone with a straight face that "Gay Men" are all pedophiles. I challenged that statement with facts I dug up from about a dozen different sources showing that the average Pedophile is a heterosexual male is generally married even. Yet they still fire teachers who are Gay, Lesbian, or Transgendered. I mean they would not wish to have such an example for their kids to "learn those things" from. Of course again throw away all the data that strongly suggests that most of us who are LGBT were always LGBT from birth. As long as someone claims to be reprogrammed to not be Gay or some Transgendered person claims to have been cured, we will always be viewed as those making a choice when we are just trying to be honest about who we are. If it is a choice in most peoples minds, then that choice can be made by children allowed to see that such a choice exists. Of course the sad fact about this is in far these "old fashioned values" are at the expense of so many lives lost when a teen kills themselves without a word as to why. If looked at closely enough it is often found they are LGBT and have no acceptance of it. LGBT children who lack any role models come to the point they cannot accept who they are. Ending their life without further "shame" seems like the best option. If people want some facts they should look into that a bit more instead of holding on to what was good for my grandparents is good for my children.