Sara Whitman

Released Hostages

Filed By Sara Whitman | July 08, 2008 3:30 PM | comments

Filed in: Politics
Tags: Columbia, Guantanamo Bay

The released hostages from Columbia are a sight for sore eyes, I am sure. Their families, waiting 5 and a half years have been rewarded with their loved ones, in one piece.

And yet we continue to hold our hostages in Guantanamo. No trials, no contact with family, tortured regularly... so when we think of the terrorists in Columbia, we best go take a peek in the mirror.

We are no better.

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Robert Ganshorn Robert Ganshorn | July 9, 2008 5:00 AM

Guantanamo will go down as the greatest international shame of our country since internment of Japanese and displacement of Native Americans. To keep our supposed "freedom" we deny it to others? Not even remotely an American value.

Gay American with Grasp on Reality | July 9, 2008 8:31 AM

Give me a break...surely you jest. Do you REALLY truly believe that America is on the same playing field as the Taliban, Osama Bin Laden et al??????

surely you jest... 6 years in jail, "interrogated" daily- what in god's name could possibly be learned at this point- in a manner that violates Geneva conventions (by our own admission) no contact, no lawyers, no trials... you tell me that's not hostages.

next you'll say Alberto Gonzales did a great job justifying the torture.

Gay American with Grasp on Reality | July 9, 2008 8:53 AM

Sara - I agree with you about 90%. BUT....for totally selfish reasons like wanting my nieces and their children to be safe in AMERICA, I am for doing whatever it takes to combat irrational terrorists hell bent on killing Americans just for being Americans. I believe that your opinion reflects a pre 9/11 mentality....Before 9/11, I was in the same boat as you.

listen, I have three kids and it's way more important to me to teach them justice and dignity. to teach them there are moral lines you simply do not cross.

to say torture is okay because it gives us some delusional sense of being safe?

what does that teach? we're safer because we've handed over our civil liberties, hand over fist?

as a victim of violence, personally, I can only say, when you give up your freedom to stay "safe?" when you change your moral core to be "protected/"

the terrorists have won without lifting a finger.

I'm with Sara on this one. Torture is simply unacceptable. There is a line in the sand and BushCo overstepped it. By their own admission, they know what they are doing is illegal. The Supreme Court told them they couldn't keep people there without access to lawyers and the American legal system.

Guantanamo will go down as one of the darkest hours of our existence on par with the internment of Japanese-Americans in WWII - just worse.

Your nieces won't be any safer when an Afghani boy is tortured at Guantanamo. Instead, when he gets out (if he does) as a man, he'll be sure to hate America with a deep and abiding hatred that'll make her more unsafe.

Call me pre-911 all you'd like, but the acceptance of torture is not a mark of a civilized country.

Yes, because Gitmo has made us so much safer. It's a symbol used by terrorist orgs to recruit against the US, it enrages our allies, and it distracts us from people who actually want to attack America (remember that bin Laden guy? Why isn't he there?).

These people don't have real trials, so please don't start with the terrorists line. You don't know that they are terrorists or just someone who had a neighbor who wanted the $1K reward for turning someone in.

And nice touch with the "irrational terrorists." It shows what team you're playing for.

Curtis Morton | July 9, 2008 10:57 AM

First, there is a big difference between the Americans who were just released after 5 years in Columbia and terrorist trying to kill Americans, as well as anyone who doesn't believe the same as them (the Americans weren't there to kill the Columbians as far as I know).

Second, the Geneva Convention only applies to uniformed soldiers of a recognized nation. So by definition, Al Queda and the Taliban are not protected under the Geneva Convention. So all those terrorists in Gitmo should just try to get comfortable.

Third, I typically don't support or agree with any form of torture; however, if it provides information that will save American lives, then so be it. I think it is because of what goes on there, and the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, that has prevented more 9-11 type attacks on the United States, killin gour friends, family, and neighbors. In fact, we know that we have stopped some of the terrort's plans to attack us since 9-11. It may not be the most ethical, but it's saving American lives!

Robert Ganshorn Robert Ganshorn | July 9, 2008 11:16 AM

Thank you for that Fox News special report.

Robert Ganshorn Robert Ganshorn | July 9, 2008 11:49 AM

Seriously, Mr. Morton, when our Bill of Rights is under attack who is to say which will be the next group of people to be placed in concentration camps? We were the "security risks" at one time according to the whims of government and could not even be trusted to deliver mail.

"The Americans were not there to kill the Columbians as far as I know."

What proof do we have (other than trusting Big Brother) that any of the persons at Gitmo have done anything anti American? Even the Supreme Court has condemned this illegal behavior. Are we justifying giving the terrorists, the victory of denying us our rights, by suggesting that we are "saving American lives" as we create a new class of slave?

Curtis Morton | July 9, 2008 12:15 PM

You are talking about two different things. Our rights as American citizen in the greatest nation in the world is completely different than the rights of a terrorist that we are at war with. If we put Nazi prisoners in a Gitmo-type prison during WWII, especially knowing what we know now, would you be fighting for their release? I doubt it!

Sometimes our government needs to do things that are not the most ethical to protect our nation and our national interests. I am not saying the government is never wrong, because they are quite a bit, but I am saying that those terrorists are in Gitmo for a reason, and I believe that some of the information from the prisoners has saved American lives, which to me is the most important thing.

Gay American with Grasp on Reality | July 9, 2008 1:40 PM

Thank you Curtis Morton....

but curtis, our society is based on a framework of laws and the premise that all people are created equal.

and our rights as american citizens have been taken away, piece by piece because of your very attitude.

if nazi's were in gitmo, I would expect them to get trials- and indeed, the nazi's did get a trial.

because when we stoop to treating people like animals, we become animals ourselves.

there is not a single piece of intelligence that is coming from gitmo. there have been reports that very little ever did come from the torture. no "life saving information."

History will write this as one of our deepest shames. the rest of the world already sees it as that.

and just like the Germans who turned their heads and ignored the stench billowing from the camps, we will all be guilty.

oh no, we hit nazi's again...