Alex Blaze

McCain picks Alaska governor Sarah Palin for VP slot

Filed By Alex Blaze | August 29, 2008 11:30 AM | comments

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Tags: Alaska, amendment, gay marriage, gay rights, governor, health care reform, John McCain, lesbian, LGBT, marriage, same-sex marriage, Sarah Palin, state employees, women in politics

Updates after the jump!

The New York Times and CNN are reporting that the scandal-ridden Alaskan governor Sarah Palin has been tapped for McCain's running mate.

From georgia10:

CNN's Dana Bash just described her as a "young female John McCain."


More on Palin's record on LGBT issues after the jump.

Bil wrote this back in January 2007 (the linked 365gay article is gone) about Palin's efforts to reduce access to health care benefits for the same-sex partners of state employees, despite eventually giving in:

Sarah Palin, the newly elected Republican Governor of Alaska, has issued her first veto one month into her term. She vetoed a bill that would have blocked gays and lesbians from health and other benefits provided to state workers's domestic partners.

The Alaska Supreme Court issued a ruling last year requiring that the state offer benefits to all state workers. The previous Governor called the legislature to a special session to approve a plan his administration had worked out.

The legislature, however, had other ideas. Instead of easily passing the benefits plan, they instead passed two (unconstitutional) bills. HB 4001 would have prohibited the state commissioner from taking action by the court's deadline. HB 4002 would have set up a nonbinding vote on whether citizens believe the state should put a constitutional amendment to thwart the court's ruling on the 2008 ballot. One legislator, Representative Mike Coghill, is such a bigot that he's proposing that all state employees should lose their benefits so those benefits don't have to be extended to domestic partners.

Palin vetoed HB 4001. Before you get too excited, she signed HB 4002 - to put benefits up to a non-binding vote of the people. Palin also stated that while she believed in HB 4001, her advisors had told her it was unconstitutional. Rather than go through the court costs, she vetoed the bill. Yeah, she's no ally.

The AK supreme court ruled about a year before that the state had to provide those benefits to same-sex partners of state employees, but instead of just giving those benefits, Palin pushed for a nonbinding referendum on those benefits.

Cost of the referendum: $1.2 million

Cost of the benefits: $313,562

Stirring up homophobia in Alaska: Priceless

She also supported the 1998 ballot initiative to put a ban on same-sex marriage in the Alaskan constitution:

Palin said she's not out to judge anyone and has good friends who are gay, but that she supported the 1998 constitutional amendment.

Elected officials can't defy the court when it comes to how rights are applied, she said, but she would support a ballot question that would deny benefits to homosexual couples.

"I believe that honoring the family structure is that important," Palin said.

She said she doesn't know if people choose to be gay.

She even has gay friends. Gee, we haven't heard that one before.

And, for fun, here's CNN's three paragraphs on the scandal she's been involved in that's significantly damaged her career in Alaska:

Palin's term has not been without controversy. A legislative investigation is looking into allegations that Palin fired Alaska's public safety commissioner because he refused to fire the governor's former brother-in-law, a state trooper.

Palin acknowledged that a member of her staff made a call to a trooper in which the staffer suggested he was speaking for the governor.

Palin has admitted that the call could be interpreted as pressure to fire state trooper Mike Wooten, who was locked in a child-custody battle with Palin's sister.

Seriously, she's under investigation for using the authority of her office to get back at her sister's ex.

Yeah, that's respect for the office. I'm sure she'll make a fine vice president.

And try to think of her as president, too. She'd be a heartbeat away from that position, and McCain himself is a heartbeat away from....

Update: Here's some non-gay stuff about Palin. Like she's a creationist:

The volatile issue of teaching creation science in public schools popped up in the Alaska governor's race this week when Republican Sarah Palin said she thinks creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the state's public classrooms.

Palin was answering a question from the moderator near the conclusion of Wednesday night's televised debate on KAKM Channel 7 when she said, 'Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both.'

And an anti-choice extremist:

Washington, D.C. - Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America, said that Sen. John McCain's selection today of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate is further evidence that a McCain presidency will be just another four years of the same old Bush-style anti-choice policies. Just like McCain, Palin opposes a woman's right to choose. Palin has also stated her opposition to abortion even in cases of rape or incest.

"John McCain's choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate proves just how rigid and extreme his administration would be when it comes to a woman's right to choose," Keenan said. "For 25 years, McCain has opposed a woman's right to choose, and we know that he will continue to push anti-choice policies in the White House. McCain's pick of anti-choice Sarah Palin is further evidence that his White House will be just another four years of Bush-style policies. Any remaining doubts about McCain's extreme anti-choice position should be put to rest when voters learn about the combined anti-choice records of Sarah Palin and John McCain."

Palin, a member of the anti-choice group Feminists for Life, said during her campaign for governor that she is opposed to abortion, even in cases of rape or incest. [Juneau Empire, "Abortion Draws Clear Divide in State Races," accessed 8/29/08 and Anchorage Daily News, "Governor's Race: Top contenders meet one last time to debate," 11/03/06.]

Ann Friedman quotes some interesting analysis from TAPped about how condescending this pick is to women's rights:

The pick of Palin is dripping with transparent condescension, the notion that the enthusiasm behind Hillary was simply the result of her being a woman, that it had nothing to do with what she actually stood for, and in that sense it's equally sexist. Palin is essentially a hard right ideologue, and therefore nothing like Hillary as far as substance is concerned. It's not very different from running Alan Keyes against Barack Obama in 2004. The conservative media reaction has already engaged in paternalistic language, with FOX News reporting on television that "McCain broke the glass ceiling," implying in fact, that the pick had nothing to do with Palin or her qualifications, but merely her gender. It's fitting that the party positing affirmative action as a program that picks people exclusively based on race or gender rather than qualification should do something similar given an opportunity for political advancement. While Obama is promising change through policy, not simply through the circumstances of his birth, the McCain campaign thinks his appeal is simply visual and demographic, and therefore something they can exploit.

Indeed, that's probably reason #1 here. But it's pretty dumb, considering that Hillary Clinton's success didn't derive just from the fact that she was a woman, but that she was a strong, intelligent, experienced woman who fought for women's rights and health care for decades. Palin's not. It's a pretty cynical move, but, then again, McCain actually thinks he has a chance among Democratic Hillary supporters.

Personally, I'm guessing this will only highlight McCain's anti-choice record, and the anti-choicers agree.

Trapper John chimes in on Palin's experience:

Palin is really a Republican after Rove's heart - she's a product of the party that produced the indicted Ted Stevens and ethically tarred Don Young, and she's embroiled in a Troopergate scandal of her own, with state investigators looking at serious allegations that Palin abused her office by pressuring the state Public Safety Commissioner to fire "an Alaska state trooper involved in a rough divorce from Palin's sister." Sounds like a woman after Karl Rove's heart.

In addition to further associating McCain with the Republican culture of corruption, the Palin pick undermines one of his main anti-Obama narratives. It's going to be laughable to hear McCain assail Obama's supposed lack of experience after naming the first-term governor -- only one-and-a-half years into her term -- of the 47th largest state to be his running mate. Palin lacks any foreign policy experience, and is bereft of even the two core areas of policy expertise that governors are supposed to bring to a ticket -- ag policy (Alaska doesn't have much in the way of traditional agriculture) and urban affairs (Anchorage is the 65th largest city in the US, behind giants such as Corpus Christi). She's easily the least experienced running mate in recent memory, which is pretty scary, given McCain's age and his history of cancer.

I'll have more updates in a few minutes....

Update II: HRC has a release:

McCain Picks Little-Known, Anti-Gay Governor as VP

"America may not know much about Sarah Palin, but based on what our community has seen of her, we know enough," said Human Rights Campaign President Joe Solmonese.

WASHINGTON - Today, presumptive Republican Presidential nominee Senator John McCain announced he has chosen first term Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his choice to be his Vice Presidential running mate. Although only holding an executive, state-wide office for less than two years, Gov. Palin has already shown that she is a fierce opponent of equality.

"America may not know much about Sarah Palin, but based on what our community has seen of her, we know enough," said Human Rights Campaign President Joe Solmonese. "Sarah Palin not only supported the 1998 Alaska constitutional amendment banning marriage equality but, in her less than two years as Governor, even expressed the extreme position of supporting stripping away domestic partner benefits for state workers. When you can't even support giving our community the rights to health insurance and pension benefits, it's a frightening window into where she stands on equality."

When asked about the right-wing's reaction to the choice of Gov Palin, the New York Times quoted Ralph Reed, the former head of the Christian Coalition as saying, "They're beyond ecstatic".

Update III: LCR jumps in:

Alaska Governor Sarah Palin can help Sen. McCain win this election by appealing to independent and young voters. She's a mainstream Republican who will unite the Party and serve John McCain well as Vice President. Gov. Palin is an inclusive Republican who will help Sen. McCain appeal to gay and lesbian voters.


Update IV: Palin responds to the investigation against her:

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She literally asked (let's get this in a blockquote box):

What is it exactly that the VP does everyday?

I'm guessing she doesn't pay much attention to politics.

Update V: Gay City News found more information about her history with state employee's DP benefits:

"The Department of Law advised me that this bill... is unconstitutional given the recent court order... mandating same-sex benefits," Palin said in a statement. "With that in mind, signing this bill would be in direct violation of my oath of office."

The statement added, "The governor's veto does not signal any change or modification to her disagreement with the action and order by the Alaska Supreme Court. It is the governor's intention to work with the Legislature and to give the people of Alaska an opportunity to express their wishes and intentions whether these benefits should continue."

That veto doesn't make her a moderate. The LCR, the McCain campaign, or any of his apologists in the media shouldn't be allowed to spin it that way. She was forced into a corner on the issue and she had to sign it, and then she did everything she could to make it up to the homophobes in her state.

Unbelievable. All for about $300K worth of insurance benefits.

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Thanks for this, Alex!
I was just getting started on reading more about her, and it was great to see in my RSS feed that Bilerico had already posted an overview of her history on LGBTQ issues. Thanks for your research and speed!

I was actually working on one for romney when a few other sources said it would be her. There isn't much on her and LGBTQ issues, but it doesn't look good so far!

You know what pisses me off - besides the fact that she isn't qualified, a pro-lifer, and extremely conservative?

She has a four month old baby - with Down's Syndrome. There's family values for you. She also has four other children. How the hell can you run around the country running for a national ticket and take care of a baby with special needs?

Are we going to hear from the conservative groups denouncing her for that? So far, everyone keeps saying that this choice is going to delight the conservative base.

Barack Obama has young children as well, but have never heard that argument concerning him going all around the country campaigning and not staying home. Weak argument on that one! As far as experience goes, Gov. Palin has made more command decisions in a week than Barack Obama has made in the last two years. Why are people not more concerned about that.

Michelle Obama does not work so she takes care of the kids. Palin and her husband both have jobs.

and 44 year old women should not be giving birth.


Also, she is not exactly up on what is expected of a VP in the first place. I think she is going to be a puppet for the GOP, and a serious road block for environmental issues, women's rights, LGBTQ rights.

The dillema of her children and PREGNANT 17 yr old daughter, is not to be ignored, but niether highlighted. I find that she is the type of woman I have never admired (5 kids, conservative), the fact she has a birthing canal means nothing for my vote.

"Barack Obama has young children as well, but have never heard that argument concerning him going all around the country campaigning and not staying home."

What kind of partisan Kool-Aid drinker compares the needs of a seven year old and a ten year old with an infant just to take a political shot? I'm thinking... oh never mind.

"As far as experience goes, Gov. Palin has made more command decisions in a week than Barack Obama has made in the last two years."

Yeah, she ordered the 82nd Airborne to invade Dutch Harbor. Command decisions, my ass. Two years ago she was the mayor of a town who had half as many people in it as who attended her announcement today.

Nancy in Nevada | August 30, 2008 1:17 AM


When Sarah Palin decided to tempt fate and have another child at the age of 44, she made a lifealtering decision. If she was not aware of the risk of having a Downs Syndrome child at her age, she is NOT ready to make any decisions on the national level. It is well documented that older women face many risks when becoming pregnant. And now she leaves this baby to run around the country chasing after a job she is not even suited for. Wouldn't you think this conservative Republican, who touts "family values", should put her needs aside for a while and stay home with her baby? Also, is it true her children are home schooled?

"If she was not aware of the risk of having a Downs Syndrome child at her age, she is NOT ready to make any decisions on the national level."

I've read that she had genetic testing done during her pregnancy because of her age, and knew that she was going to have a Down's Syndrome child.

If that's true, that makes her even more disgusting.

I've now heard that from another MSM source, so yes, it is true.

Excuse me Rory- are you a proponent of "choice"? What business is it of yours if someone else chooses to carry a pregnancy to term? If you think people should be pressured into terminating a pregnancy because the baby won't be "perfect" you're not remotely pro-choice. If you're going to be pro-choice it should mean EVERYBODY's choice. And what a condescending attitude towards people with delayed development! People with Down's syndrome can make significant contributions to society. Remember the tv series "Life Goes On"? A number of actors with Down's syndrome made a good living from that show. And the young lady who played Corky's girlfriend went on to college- UCLA, I believe, majoring in psychology. In general the more stimulation they receive the more they achieve.

While I appreciate your moral indignation, Ann, I'd like for you to point to a single thing I said which would indicate that I'm not pro-choice.

I never said that she shouldn't have become pregnant. I never said she should have terminated her pregnancy. I never said that babies with Down's Syndrome should never be born.

Clearly, she has the choice to do any of those things. However, I would like to point out that Sarah Palin doesn't think anyone else should have a choice. In fact, she opposes all abortions in *all* circumstances. No exceptions at all for ANYTHING.

The fact that she chose to have a baby in her mid-forties despite the risk, despite the fact that she already had four children, despite the fact that she knew the baby would have health problems, despite the fact that she was the governor of the state which is an extremely demanding job which requires the time and committment which isn't like most standard jobs, which wouldn't give the baby the time and attention he requires, may indicate that she has crappy judgment, or is extrememly selfish. If she's going to be a heartbeat away from being the leader of the free world, I think it's fair to evaluate those qualities. But yes, it was her choice.

During the announcement rally, one of her other children was holding the baby when they were all brought out on display. I was concerned that with all of the noise and people and lights and heat that it would frightening and confusing for him. But during the whole thing, he was splayed out over his sister's chest, absolutely motionless, without uttering a peep. It was very sad.

That baby deserves better.

Rory- I apologize. My comment was misdirected at you when it was actually meant for BlackCat. I misread how comments were attributed on the page.

I think you misconstrued my meaning, Ann.

I hold nothing against the disabled. But I think it was extremely selfish and irresponsible of Palin to go ahead with this pregnancy when she's clearly not able (or willing?) to devote the time necessary to give all of her children, especially the disabled one, the love and care they need from their mother. Special Needs children need more than the average "normal" child, and if you just plan to pop another one out and then fob them off on a nanny/your husband/your other children so that you can selfishly push ahead with your political career, well... Yes, I'm going to call you disgusting.

Its not the fact that she found out that the baby would be born with Down's Syndrome DURING her pregnancy. Its the fact that she didn't take the precautions to not become pregnant at her age. It is a scientific fact that women who become pregnant after the age of about 35 risk health problems for themselves and for the baby. It was not a very responsible move on her part.

That's ridiculous. All pregnancies are a crap shoot. As long as someone is aware of their odds and is prepared to deal with whatever eventuates, as the Palins were, it's no one else's business. Where do you get off making a choice for someone else?

How can a woman with 5 children, one of whom has a handicap and is only 4 months old, be effective at any of her roles? VP, mother, wife and housewife?? This is obviously impossible. One or more of those roles is going to suffer greatly. Which will it be? If she puts priority on her children, as any woman worth her weight in salt would, she will have one or two hours a day to dedicate herself entirely to the job of VP. I have this mother/working/wife/housekeeper experience. I know all too well what it is like to be a mother and work full time outside the home(as a teacher so that my schedule will be the same as my childrens'.) Something is really phoney about this! If she is the kind of woman who will give up enough time with her precious little ones to be an effective VP, is she really the kind of woman, that we want in Washington. Or is she just a figurehead for the job? That is a disgusting thought. Hillary's child is grown up. And Obama has his wife to care for the kids and give them the attention they deserve at their age. I will still vote for Obama. I am not old-fashioned, just realistic! And by the way, how selfish to have a baby at the age of 44! With the risks involved....I don't like this not one bit!!

BO for the future | August 31, 2008 6:43 PM

Let's be honest here, John McCain is closer to death's door than ANY president who's ever run for office. So for him to select someone with ZERO foreign policy experience, after having told us that Obama is NOT ready because he lacks that experience, who is just a heartbeat away from the presidency just makes no sense.

Obama was in the state senate for 8 years, and a US senator for 3 years. He has proven his judgment by being right on Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran, and he has shown his ability to command the respect of leaders (and people) all over the world. And yet, John McCain is arguing that HE isn't ready, but that somehow Palin IS ready? Seriously?

Here! Here! I totally agree! This just proves how out of touch with conservatives McCain's has become. Anyone who would support a mother of a baby running for VP is insane.
She needs to stay closer to home and be there for her baby - as well as her other children

How stereotypical.. since she's the woman I suppose she's supposed to take care of all the kids all the time... ok..

"How stereotypical.. since she's the woman I suppose she's supposed to take care of all the kids all the time... ok.."

How about you *read* the more than 50 comments first before you toss out your simplistic cliche? No one said that in the first place; and it has been *thoroughly* refuted a dozen times since.

Do you actually believe that as a group, the GLBT community is more sexist than the rest of the country? Give me a break.

Wow, I wonder if people like Rory would be saying the same thing if Sarah Palin were a man who had a child with Down's Syndrome? I suspect not. Just another way in which the Democrats have demonstrated their anti-feminist hypocrisy. First the vicious and underhanded smears against Hillary from the Obama campaign, now attacks on a working mom for having the audacity to think that women can be mothers and have a career.

Give me a friggin break. You can't compare running for vice president - which will entail working 20 hour days, seven days a week, for more than two months, and traveling to as many as four states in a 24 hour period, with a woman working a regular job who has children. Nice try.

It would be virtually impossible to schlep a baby on the campaign trail with her, and none too good for the baby. Oh, and then there's her four other children, as well.

Assuming that she's breast feeding the baby, which would be a reasonable assumption since he was born in April, then no, it isn't the same as a man with an infant.

And while you're leaping to conclusions and acussing me of anti-Hillary sexism, I was a Hillary Clinton delegate to my county convention.

Um, no. Palin belongs to a sector of American politics that wants to impose the McFamily on everyone in America through with the full force of law. They want every family to have one man, one woman, and kids, and the man works and the woman stays home with the kids.

It's an honesty/credibility issue there.

Yes! Thank you! Someone finally points out that it's not an issue of mudslinging or bringing Palin's family into the election inappropriately, but of credibility/consistency in her own values.


Yes we will hear from the conservative groups about the Down's Child--as an example of how pro-life she is.

Abuse of office, attempting to deny partner benefits, attempting to subvert the court, and a woman's whose only defense experience is a small town police force...

Was McCain confusing running mate with potential mate?

"Yes we will hear from the conservative groups about the Down's Child--as an example of how pro-life she is."

Undoubtedly. I just don't know how they can do that and ignore the fact that she's not *raising* the baby in the same breath. Intellectual consistency is always welcomed.

Hillary Clinton's success didn't derive just from the fact that she was a woman, but that she was a strong, intelligent, experienced woman who fought for women's rights and health care for decades. Palin's not. It's a pretty cynical move, but, then again, McCain actually thinks he has a chance among Democratic Hillary supporters.

It's not that Hillary fans only support her because she has a vag. We're not that stupid. And we're not stupid enough to think that any vag will do. But it's the principal of the matter. I'll have more to say on this later.

This woman is ambitious to the point of being mercilessly vicious. She built her career through bringing forth the downfall of competitors.

I'm wary of what she can do with disgruntled Clinton supporters.

Best line I've heard so far:

Alaska is a relatively new state. It's 22 years younger then John McCain.

See ya'll when I get home.

Can't beat that!

Someone has to raise that Down's Syndrome baby. It seems like the oil roughneck husband, First Dude Todd, is going to be the househusband. Personally, I think raising a special needs child is and should be a life-altering event in a way that raising an ordinary child is not. Workaholics should cut back. And the primary childcaring spouse should expect some help from the other spouse.

In the typical neanderthal mindset of the war criminal and intellectually challenged neo-con called "John Mccain"; his choice of a person who has demonstrated the capacity and arrogance to abuse the power that comes with public trust is NO SURPRISE!

His choice for a political "attack dog" was well vetted. His choice was based on the same criteria GW Bush used to choose a ruthless, self-serving Darth Cheney as his running mate. Both have a vested interest in placing the demands of big oil, AIPAC, and other special interest groups of questionable integrity above all else, including; the needs, concerns, and safety of honest hard working American citizens.

John Mccain wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years. John Mccain wants to "bomb, bomb, bomb - bomb, bomb Iran". John Mccain is itching for a fight with Russia over the US incited/financed Georgian attack on Russian CIVILIANS in South Ossettia earlier this month. Bush/Mccain want to place missiles in Poland which is sure to create a new "missile crisis". Those US missiles in Poland have the same perceived intention as the Soviet missiles had in the Cuban missile crisis in the 60's.

Bullying, terrorizing, harassing, torture, intimidation, genocide, and propagandizing are not effective tools of diplomacy, nor are they appropriate as domestic policy. Neither do those methods demonstrate good will or good character. There has been no honor, integrity or justice in our foreign or domestic policies since 2001. With a third Bush administration; the depravity will only deepen.

Don Sherfick Don Sherfick | August 29, 2008 1:50 PM

Larry Craig would have been a more credible choice, I think. Far, far more experience. At least he would have won the Alaskan Miss American contest instead of being first runner up. I'll take a used Idaho baked potato any day over half-baked Alaska.

"I'll take a used Idaho baked potato any day over half-baked Alaska."

I can't believe I'm going there, but... Palin was actually born in Idaho, so it's two for one deal. Argh.

Picking Palin is sexist in and of itself -- they don't give Hillary supporters credit enough to think beyond the vagina to the person and the policies.

Wilson46201 | August 29, 2008 5:52 PM

Picking Sarah Palin for VP is like picking Clarence Thomas for Supreme Court. Tokenism at its worst!

2008 and we are talking about a woman with children not being able to do the job?

Oh, and Joseph Biden heartily supported the Defense of Marriage act...affecting us all, not just one state. Thanks, Joe. And Joe, if you support Civil Unions...where's mine?

As a Hillary supporter, and a woman who has seen much too much of corporate fast tracking of men past much more qualified women...I'm pissed. And when the Dems did it to Hillary, I was real pissed. If as a woman, I don't matter to the Democratic Party...then don't come crying to me now for my vote.

"If as a woman, I don't matter to the Democratic Party...then don't come crying to me now for my vote."

If you're willing to abandon your ethics, morals, and intelligence just to vote for a VP who's an anti-woman, anti-gay, pro-war, pro-big oil, pro-big business, anti-choice, pro-death penalty, anti-education, power-abusing, anti-environment puppy-killing Special Interests whore... out of spite over not getting your way... Then you were NEVER a Hillary supporter to begin with and an even bigger sexist than the people you CLAIM are.

Amen Black Cat! As a Hillary supporter the first thing I did was check on this woman's politics. Good god in heaven... could she get much worse? I would consider her the "anti-Hillary".. it's horrible. And how condescending and insulting- to think that Hillary supporters would simply jump on the bandwagon because she's got a vagina. If the McCain/Palin ticket wins, be prepared for worse than Bush (if that's even possible).. Folks- check her out before you vote!!!! The Christian Coalition is salivating over her- that should tell you all you need to know!

"And how condescending and insulting- to think that Hillary supporters would simply jump on the bandwagon because she's got a vagina."

What turns my stomach is the fact that some professed "Hillary supporters" actually ARE doing this. They're willing to cut off their nose to spite their face just because they didn't get their way in this election!

Talk about your temper tantrums.

faith, are you kidding? i have a 2.5 year old and an 11 mth old. no one is saying the woman CAN'T do the job. but if you have kids you know the commitment you owe you child especially when they are helpless babies. add to the mix she has a special needs baby. so should she cut off the breast milk and leave baby with daddy while she nation and globe trots or should she lug the baby to a couple of new cities every week and new countries every month? even hillary, whom i originally supported, chose being a present and sacrificing mother to chelsea. and she was still able to make her mark without dissing her kid. motherhood is not a dirty word, it doesn't have to be a full time job, but it also shouldn't be a hobby you pick up a couple of times a week.

Well said!!!!! As a woman who chose to have a career first and then children in my thirties, I am reminded every minute of every day what an important and difficult job motherhood is. There are days as a stay-at-home mom when my former, tough office job would be a welcome break. However, I made a commitment to my children to be there for them and put them before me. That this woman has the AUDACITY to champion the idea that women should not have a right to chose, all the while leaving her innocent FOUR MONTH OLD at home in the care of someone else, is digusting and dispicable.
Every single woman should be insulted and appalled by Sarah Palin.

Valerie Newton | August 31, 2008 7:46 PM

"That this woman has the AUDACITY to champion the idea that women should not have a right to chose, all the while leaving her innocent FOUR MONTH OLD at home in the care of someone else, is digusting and dispicable."

I couldn't agree more with this comment, typical of those with wealth and privilege telling the rest of us how we should live.

Not only is she anti-LGBT and anti-women, she's anti-environment. Remember, this is the same woman who sued the Interior Department for listing polar bears as an endangered species.

Faith, it's the hypocrisy. Please. Suddenly, the creationist, anti-choice, "wives submit to your husbands" barefoot and pregnant knuckle-dragger crowd thinks that a woman with four children plus a special needs baby should be our VP? It's a gender equality epiphany! Oh dear god, won't someone think of the children?

Who could possibly vote for these people? There is nothing they won't lie about. It's an absolute embarrassment.

Barry Larkman | August 29, 2008 8:50 PM

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Wilson46201 | August 29, 2008 9:26 PM

Best quip on Palin:

Basically, she's Tom Coburn with boobs.

Tom Coburn with boobs? Nope, Palin's nothing if not Dan Quayle in drag. Except Quayle did a better job on his makeup and hair, and was more of a feminist than Palin.

Anybody see Palin at today's press conference? She talks on the stump like a goofy teenager. I bet she still has her New Kids on the Block poster on her bedroom wall.

This nomination has the cynical imprimatur of Karl Rove all over it. You know it and I know it. John McCain isn't in charge of anything at this point, least of all his campaign, and it's a good thing, because he doesn't have the brains that God gave seafood. Rove and the others who're running this fire sale knew they'd lose big after last night's Obama speech, and the GOP convention's not going to be the lead news item next week (Hurricanes Gustav and Hanna will be). They've read the blogs and think they can separate some disgruntled Hillary voters from Obama, and they had to have a Religious Reicher to mollify the cretin fundies, so they went out and killed 2 birds with 1 stone and found a fundie woman. The fact that Alaska has, what, 3 electoral votes, and hasn't been in play since Mike Gravel was a Senator, not to mention that Palin's qualifications to be the leader of the free world are less than those of Dora the Explorer, matters not - she is perfect for the job in the eyes of Karl Rove. Isn't it time for that scurb to go hunting with Dick Cheney?

"Isn't it time for that scurb to go hunting with Dick Cheney?"

I'm pretty sure she's a better shot.

Hmm reading this and other postings damning this woman who until today I knew nothing about makes me think that the Anti Christ has come and you have lost the election already.If the team of Obama/Biden cant beat this team then they need to be bannised form the Democratic Party.

Politiics is a contact sport with no rules.


I am an almost 40 yr old mother of seven and expecting number eight. I am a very conservative Republican. I am terribly disappointed in McCain's choice. I am appalled that this *mother* went back to work three days after giving birth. How is she going to give her full attention to the position of VP when she still has a baby, 7 yr old, 13 yr old and 17 yr old at home?! How will she give them the attention they need and deserve?! This truly is not the family values I want my children seeing.
I hate agreeing with Democrats but there are some things we agree on in this case.
God help my party. It may take a miracle to win. And then is it even going to be a win?

If McCain is elected, ...

Who would Palin appoint to the VP post when she takes over the Oval Office?

WOW ... What a great pick!!! America should elect
McCain & Palin for the Whitehouse in November,
for a return to wholesome American values.
An experienced Governor for V.P. vs. a
community organizer for President ... I pick Palin.
No Wright, no Farrakahn, no Ayers, no Rezko,
no mean Michelle, NOBAMA

WOW ... What a great pick!!!"

That glass ceiling was broken 24 years ago by Walter Mondale and Geraldine Ferraro.

"America should elect McCain & Palin for the Whitehouse in November,... "

Whitehouse is the Democratic senator from Rhode Island.

" ...for a return to wholesome American values."

Like not raising your baby?

"An experienced Governor for V.P.... "

Being in a job less than two years isn't usually considered to be experienced.

" ...vs. a community organizer for President"

Versus a Harvard educated lawyer, an eight year Illinois senator, a four year US senator, and the winner of the Democratic presidential nomination.

" ... I pick Palin."

Good luck if you or any of your family members are female, GLBT, working class, or depend on a safe environment.

Um, just to be clear, women over age 35 at the time of their FIRST pregnancy are at higher risk for having a child Down Syndrome. Forty-four is not a terribly advanced age to have children and speaking purely biologically if her childbearing years started before her mid-thirties her risk factors were increased by a very small amount.

I find much of the language in this thread INCREDIBLY offensive as it is devaluing this child because of his/her disability. Suggesting that it's irresponsible to carry a child with Trisomy 23 to term is a horribly, ugly assertion.

I don't know where you get your information on Down's Syndrome, but it's wrong. The ONLY factor is the age of the mother - how many children she has or hasn't had before has nothing to do with it. As Palin is nearly 45, she's perfectly old enough to carry a high risk of birthing a disabled child. That's the long and the short of it.

"I find much of the language in this thread INCREDIBLY offensive as it is devaluing this child because of his/her disability."

To the contrary; what I'm hearing (and saying) is *concern* for the BABY not getting the necessary care, love, and attention from his mother that he deserves. I'm questiong *her* judgment and values when she does things like going back to work three days after he was born. That's not devaluing him as a person.

I always believed that most people were pretty reasonable. After reading most of the comments on this page I've decided that at least here, that is not the case.
How insulting to all women this page is. How about the mothers that serve in the military. What about single moms that work 2 jobs. What about the female CEO's that run large corporations or female lawyers that work long hours to prepare cases. What are you saying? If there mothers they should only work as teacher helpers for 4 hrs a day.
This is what makes me sick about the party of my mother and father. I was a registered democrat for almost 45 years.
This is the reason I left the party. You know almost nothing about Sarah Palin and yet you write about her like she is the first coming of satin.
If you disagree with her politics that’s fine. Debate it here on this forum with at least some degree of intelligence. But as is typical of places like this, you don't have anything to say that has substance so you resort to lying, name calling and condemning her because she may not agree with you.
Your a typical one issue voter. Nothing matters to you except that one issue that you are passionate about and anyone who disagrees with you must be ignorant.
I was looking for information about Sarah Palin when I found this site. I look elsewhere from now on.
By the way what is your issue, and please don't insult me by giving me a laundry list because you probably had someone else write it

"I always believed that most people were pretty reasonable."

Well, *that's* always a mistake!

"How about the mothers that serve in the military."

Do you think it's appropriate for a woman to be separated from her infant and put on deployment?

"This is the reason I left the party."

What's the reason you left the party? Because we support women's rights, GLBT rights, etc.?

"You know almost nothing about Sarah Palin and yet you write about her like she is the first coming of satin."

We know she is unqualified, rabidly anti-choice, and isn't taking her role as a new mother seriously. What else could we find out that would mitigate those facts? Oh, and I'm pretty sure you meant Satan.

" you resort to lying, name calling and condemning her because she may not agree with you."

What lies? What names?

"Your a typical one issue voter."

Gee, what happened to being indignant about pre-judging someone you don't know?

"That's ridiculous. All pregnancies are a crap shoot."

Ever hear of a thing called a "high risk pregnancy"? To say all pregnancies are a crap shoot is like saying that crossing the street and sky diving are both risks.

"As long as someone is aware of their odds and is prepared to deal with whatever eventuates, as the Palins were, it's no one else's business."

That's just the point. They aren't. Palin went back to work three days after she gave birth. That isn't good for any baby, much less a special needs baby. And now she's going to hit the road for the next two months. That's not dealing with having a baby at all.

This isn't about Palin choosing to carry and give birth knowingly to a special needs child, then go back to work. Presumably, the Palins have the money to afford nannies; it's not the way I would raise a kid, but that part is their business. My dislike for her candidacy is because she is such a contemptuously crass choice: a person that has no more business being President than Opus the Penguin; a person who is part of the know-nothing right wing, a person who rabidly hates abortion and gay people - even opposes legal divorces, a person who was chosen strictly as a cynical political attempt to woo disgruntled Hillary supporters. She's simply unfit to be President - and is the running mate of a man 72 years old who has both a bad temper and tendencies toward senility, one failed defibrillation away from being the Leader of the Free World, with no judgment or vision for the job.

what do you mean a 44yr old should not have babies?

I am a very healthy 25yr old having just given birth to a special needs child. It is a blessing and has made me and all around us better human beings.

I am surprised at my fellow Dem Hillary supporters
for being so narrow minded and taking much of what this woman believes in OUT of context..

there is too much mis information developing from the mouths and minds of irrational people.

I am changing my registration to
IND, and WILL vote for the Rep ticket ONLY
because of SARAH,,,,,,

LEARN her motives.... they are honest and with integrity to AMERICA not communism

"I am a very healthy 25yr old having just given birth to a special needs child. It is a blessing and has made me and all around us better human beings.

I am changing my registration to IND, and WILL vote for the Rep ticket ONLY because of SARAH,,,,,,"

Are you trying to tell me that having a disabled baby makes her a *superior* candidate for VP to people who don't? Voting for someone just because they have given birth to a Down's Syndrome baby makes just as much sense as voting for someone because they're white.

I'll also hasten to add that Sarah Palin *wouldn't* give you or anyone else the choice about whether or not you should have a baby.

BTW, you don't have to change your party registration to vote for a different party in the general election. However, I really hope that you do. We don't need people who are only concerned if their own ox is gored choosing the Democratic candidates.

"LEARN her motives.... they are honest and with integrity to AMERICA not communism"

First of all, you don't know her motives from Adam. You don't have a personal relationship with her, and there hasn't been any thorough reporting about her or examination of her public record.

Secondly, the US is not the opposite of communism.

Thirdly, IT'S 2008!! Communism? Are you kidding?

If you're just going to vote for McCain/Palin just because his VP is a woman, then you're a vapid sexist and worse than anyone YOU claim is.

Honesty? This woman comparing herself to HILLARY, when she's the polar opposite of EVERYTHING Hillary stands for, is honesty?

Integrity? Being anti-education, anti-choice, anti-gay... and abandoning your special needs baby, and your other children, to forge ahead with a doomed political career is honesty?

My dear, if those things represent "honesty" and "integrity" to you, then you've no room to speak on EITHER subject.

I don't want the woman as vice president any more than most of the rest of you, but what's disgusting about having a baby at 44?

I personally would not ever choose to have five children to begin with, let alone have an additional one once I had such a demanding job, but we don't know what her family situation really is. Her husband is working, but who knows how many hours - maybe he's the primary caretaker? Or who knows how closely involved the rest of their family is?

I think we can assume that they probably would have sufficient resources to care for a typical baby as well as most people. With their beliefs about abortion, it's not surprising they chose to keep the baby even after his diagnosis. He certainly will need a lot more help than most kids, but having a Down Syndrome baby is not devastation - and these two should be able to afford to get the best help in to work with him. Besides, you can't criticize her for leaving him, and then for dragging him around, at the same time.

That said, I think she's possibly a decent political choice but a terrible functional choice - she might help McCain win the election if there enough reflexive pseudo-feminist voters out there, but she has nothing like the kind of experience she'd need to run the country in its current mess. In addition, she's way to the right on the kind of issues that matter to us, and most people in the US are to the right of us but to the left of her - in the middle.

I don't believe that I'd care for her at all in my government, but I have seen a lot of people making at least vaguely sexist remarks, as if it's okay to do so because she's a Republican. Why are we attacking her as a mother, or calling her a beauty queen (mostly other than here)? How would we react if somebody was doing that to a progressive politician? She deserves a lot of criticism and close examination, but I think we should be looking at the things that are directly relevant to her as vice president - things like her past actions, her stated positions, her political alliances.

As I the read comments on the issues of Palin, I agree that we all have a right to choose, and with every choice there are consequences. I also believe that no one is saying that Palin shouldn’t work - many of us are working mothers ourselves.

I am a working divorced mother of two, and believe me it is not easy. However, I don’t have time to worry about what my ex-spouse is doing or not doing to contribute because the bottom line is that our children still need to be provided for. Although, I am a working mother, I always make sure that I am home every night to help my children with their homework and tuck them into bed – for this I am grateful. You see as a mother, I don’t do this because it is my duty or responsibility, but because it is an honor. And because this is an honor, I have no regrets about putting their needs ahead my own.

My question to mothers, are we too busy with our careers to hear our children’s cry?
After all, it is evident that the consequence of not being there for our children can be seen in some of the problems that we are facing today: teen pregnancy, rebellious, and out of control kids. Is this the price that we are willing to pay? If so, God help us!

Thanks for the info on her view of LGBT folks. I wouldn't want to just assume that at Right Wing Republican or a small-town politician was homophobic, so I went in search of facts. Sadly, she's lived up to the stereotype completely.

Every time the Republicans make me angry, I donate a bit to the Obama campaign, $5-$50. It's worth a coffee, certainly, to feel like I'm helping a candidate who wants to allow my partner and i to have full rights as domestic partners. Don't get me wrong, i still think it's garbage to be "separate but equal," but it's better than Palin & McCain, who think it's worth $1.2 million to make sure gay people don't get benefits.

FYI the Obama campaign donation site is

barry youngerman | September 6, 2008 7:04 PM

1. I have been heavily involved the past 9 years in raising a special needs child, who is far more disabled than Trig Palin. I believe the two most important factors in providing a good life for such children (apart from good parent(s), obviously) are (a) a wide circle of family and friends to share the burden and to enrich the child's life, and (b) access to special health and education equipment, materials, and professional services. From what we can see, Trig will get plenty of both of those, whether or not his mother is available 24/7.

The lesbian Mommie of the child I know never stopped working. Some criticized her, but she had a very supportive partner who picked up more than her share of the burden as Mama, and she was the main breadwinner. Palin's husband, apparently, has already been pretty much a househusband for the past couple of years; no doubt he we be full time if Palin gets elected. This is bad? How?

2. Few Democrats, feminist or not, will vote for Palin, based on her views. They will fight her, true to their principles. But feminists should nevertheless be overjoyed by her political success so far, and by the incredible effect she's had on the Republicans and on the country as a whole. Most of the prominent women politicians we know tied their careers to their husbands' (Hillary) or had wealthy and powerful husbands or families to rely on while they built their careers (Abzug, Feinstein, etc.). Palin is the first MAJOR woman politician in the US I can think of to have pulled herself up by her bootstraps (unlike Gore, Kerry, Kennedy, Bush, and all the other legacy male politicians). She won the Alaska governorship with the help of women's circles all over the state, and she is already a source of great pride for girls and women all over the state and country. She is clearly a brilliant, dynamic model of a successful and powerful woman.

By all means vote against her, FIGHT against her, on the issues; but damn it, we've come a long way, and it's just plain blind not to see it, or to be contemptuous of her. Throwing sexist crap at her (she should not take the biggest promotion ever offered a woman, but rather spend more time raising the kids) is kind of depressing in a supposedly gay and lesbian site.

Thanks Barry. I think you've made some really strong argument.

Kristopher McDowell | September 6, 2008 9:04 PM

I am very curious to know Palin's thoughts on contraception.

Ronn Kettlehake | September 8, 2008 9:19 PM

While I abhore the blatant hypocrisy of Sarah Palin for saying that what her daughter chooses to do concerning her pregnancy is her own choice, while she is doing everything in her power to take that choice away from all other U.S.women, this post is regarding something I saw at the Republican Con. last Friday. A reporter asks a "good ol' boy",ten gallon hat & all, what the conservative stance was concerning gay rights,he responds by saying "gays can have all the rights they want as long as they marry a member of the opposite sex!" I didn't know whether to laugh at this stupidity or to be afraid that there are people out there that actually, honestly think that this makes any sense at all! Not to mention that many of them are in positions of power & influence! If by some tragic twist of fate McCain & Palin pull off a victory(without resorting to cheating, which we know is entirely feasible if history is at all accurate!),then I feel we really are seeing the end of the American Dream & merely leaving a harsh,dark,corrupted future for the children of tomorrow,which will(ironically) include the very children that Palin is supposedly so dedicated to & protective of, even her newborn son & her unborn grandchild! Lord have mercy on us ALL!!!

If You vote McCain-Palin your are no more of an American than the Terrorist that hold a threat on our country. McCain gives tax breaks to companies that pick up and move over seas. He is an avid supporter to strip women of their right to choose and hold any sort of power other than in the kitchen. Personally with the verbal retarded pencil eraser attacks on Iran I believe he will use the POW trauma to not rid this country of evil but to get revenge. This will be the end of our country as we know it. Its 2008 its about time we accept people for whom they are gay str8 watever. But how do u feel about mccain supporting the legalization of immigrants and giving them free health insurance? Its a mochery of what this country stands for. 48 million people in this country who are americans walk on there tip toes because they are afraid of getting hurt bc they cant go to the doctors.
And SARAH PALIN? This chick is not only unqualified but she is a liar. The bridge to nowhere-----she supported documented in 2006. No earmarks please palin alaska recieved 532 million in earmarks from congress this year alone. That little town she was mayor of. Left that place 13million in debt. She couldnt even answer the question about the bush doctrine in her interview and its evident when she talks when the bush administration does and doesnt write her speeches. It's a scary thought to view the war in Iraq "Gods Wish" Really? Really Palin? She also started off a speech with "4,000 years ago when the dinosaurs walked the Earth" Really? REALLY? shes going upagainst the prime minister of Russia and having the nuclear codes?

Obama is a smart man who has plans and even defended palin about her daughters pregnancy scandal. (Guess her abstinence only sex education didnt work) And in times like these we cant afford abstinence only. Obama appeals to the people. He wants to create more jobs and stop lobbyist from giving themselves 22million in raises and them having to bail them out of bankruptcy (AIG) He was right about his beleifs on iraq iran ECT. And with joe biden by his side the pair will be unstoppable.
A touching story I heard was one of his advisors was walking with him one day. upon exiting an elevator the 70+ old man in the elevator (bell boy) told Obama he would like him to have this. He handed him a piece of cloth that was a piece of his uniform from a past war. Obama fought with the man saying he could not possibly accept this token. Obama finally took it and thanked the man. His advisor shocked asked Obama what he was going to do with the charm. He then pulled out 12 charms from his pocket and said: "I am going to carry these with me as it is the wish of my American people" He told her the story of each charm and the names of the person who had given it to him. If you don't want a president like that ladies and gentlemen I feel sorry that you are too proud to cross a party line in which you don't even qualify for to better yourself, your children, and the future of this country.

JENNIFER SAGINOR | September 22, 2008 5:04 AM


Sarah Palin's views on homsexuality are offensive. US citizens were gaining awareness and moving in a direction of acceptance.Truth is, no one, not even Sarah Palin can explain where homosexuality stems from. With that in mind, if it is derived from parental, environmental or genetic influences, how can one be "transformed" later in life? If one could prove these natural emotions were a result of human biology, Sarah Palin's theory to "transform" insinuates she can override genetics. Otherwise, her logic blames society for the outcome, not individuals. Therefore, her solution suggests, "fixing" problems caused by those who created them.

I wonder if she had a gay, bi-sexual or bi-curious child, if they too would be enrolled in her "school of conversion?"

America represents freedom.
Marriage is not a luxury-It is a human right.

As a woman, in particular, she should understand discrimination and fight for equality in this country.

Her glasses are as transparent as her lack of international foreign policy experience and human compassion.

marriage=one man plus one woman any thing else has to be called what ever but not no bennies for your for that cop he should have been fired long ago he is a menace especially to homos.

patricia gallagher | November 15, 2009 7:39 PM

Sara Palin is such a phoney, she should practice what she preches, she has a disable child that need her, meaning love, not promoting a stupid book, and thinking she is going to run for the next election, noway, will she win, to many black cats in her closed, to many, I wouldn't waste my money on the book, she wants a luxury life the easy way, I can see right threw her, sara palin you would never ever make president. live in the real life, not a fantasy life, and Please take care and pay more attention to you child, I don't respect a women like you at all. patricia

patricia gallagher | November 15, 2009 7:46 PM

sara palin, a very money hungry lady, who needs to put more energy in her child, the child needs her, she will never ever win in 2012, if she goes for it, I don't respect her, she don't respect herself, going all over the world, money means more to her, than her family, the disable child, she makes my stomach sick, never ever she will win the 2012 election, no such luck. patricia