Pam Spaulding

Rick Warren operatives trying to whitewash his anti-gay positions from Wikipedia entry

Filed By Pam Spaulding | April 20, 2009 6:30 PM | comments

Filed in: Fundie Watch, Marriage Equality, Media
Tags: anti-gay, gay marriage, gay rights, Rick Warren, Saddleback church, Wikipedia

Isn't this special? "Exhausted" Rick Warren recently bailed on an interview with George Stephanopoulos on This Week just days after the Saddleback pastor was caught lying about his support of Prop 8 on Larry King Live ("I never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop 8 was going." Bzzzt, wrong answer) and denied suggesting same-sex marriage was morally equivalent to incest and pedophilia ("I was asked a question that made it sound like I equated gay marriage with pedophilia or incest, which I absolutely do not believe." Bzzzt, wrong answer.).

After I discussed the serial lying of Warren on international TV in my post, it was picked up by Huff Post and spread like wildfire. It obviously made it back to Warren's hive and one of his drones, Christian music artist Jim Anderson a "media representative" for the Saddleback pastor, sent out a missive to me to attempt some damage control ("Rick Warren's peeps start up the damage control machine - massive FAIL").

Now I've learned that Rick Warren's so desperate to repair his rep with the fundies (they blew up after he appeared to back away from the marriage issue ("True believers are angry at Rick Warren's 'betrayal' on Larry King Live") that folks high up in the food chain of his org are trying to white-wash the pastor's Wikipedia entry.

Of course the editing of Warren's page is available for all to peruse here.

One editor, Benccc changed a portion of the Warren article to say that Prop 8 "amended the state constitution to eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry." It had previously said that Prop 8 "amended the state constitution to ban same-sex marriages."

Then another editor, CarverM changed Benccc's edit to read that Prop 8 "amended the state constitution to read, "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California."

Benccc went to the article's discussion page and pointed out that the original line and CarverM's edit "omits an essential fact. Thirty states ban same-sex marriage; Prop 8 is unique for having rescinded it. Readers aware of that fact may better understand why Warren's support for Prop 8 was the subject of protests".

And thus began an epic Wikipedia War that has resulted in Wikipedia officially "locking down" the Rick Warren page with a banner that warns "The neutrality of this article is disputed" and "This page is currently protected from editing until disputes have been resolved."

The two sides have been sharply drawn from the beginning, with one side calling for inclusion of controversies surrounding Warren, and the other side trying to strip anything but the most cursory mention of Warren controversies from the article.

Whitewashers want to tidy up the entry with fact-free information, including:

- Warren did not compare same sex marriage to incest, polygamy and pedophilia during his notorious Beliefnet interview.
- Gay and lesbian people have never had the right to marry in California.
- Controversies surrounding Warren's position on gay marriage are, according to CarverM, "a tempest in a teapot" and unworthy of more discussion than a link to Wikipedia's Proposition 8 page.

After weeks of Wiki Warring, it was revealed that Mark Carver is Executive Director and the International Director of Purpose Driven Ministries, a conflict of interest that has sent the entire discussion about these particular edits into Wikipedia mediation. McPherson:

So far, the mediation has been an abject failure with the remaining Warren Wikipedia Whitewashers attempting to block inclusion of Warren controversies at every turn.

One of the highly frustrated Wikipedia mediators recently declared "Frankly, I don't see what this mediation will accomplish if editors cannot sit down at a table together and discuss things rationally. I'm giving it one more chance, but if I have to withdraw again I will not return." Two parties to the mediation, both openly gay, have already dropped out of the mediation in exasperation.

Are Warren and his drones simply going to bully their way into scrubbing his well-documented and very clear anti-gay views from Wikipedia?

WARREN: During the whole Proposition 8 thing, I never once went to a meeting, never once issued a statement, never -- never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop 8 was going.

WARREN: Here's an interesting thing: there are about 2% of Americans are homosexual, gay, lesbian people. We should not let 2% of the population determine -- to change a definition of marriage that has been supported by every single culture and every single religion for 5,000 years. This is not even just a Christian issue, it is a humanitarian and human issue, that God created marriage for the purpose of family, love and procreation. I urge you to support Proposition 8 and to pass that on.

and this.

Rick Warren: But the issue to me is, I'm not opposed to that as much as I'm opposed to the redefinition of a 5,000-year definition of marriage. I'm opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that marriage. I'm opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I'm opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.

Steven Waldman: Do you think, though, that they are equivalent to having gays getting married?

Rick Warren: Oh I do.  ...

Related: The Blend's Rick Warren files

Hat tip, Deep Diver.

Leave a comment

We want to know your opinion on this issue! While arguing about an opinion or idea is encouraged, personal attacks will not be tolerated. Please be respectful of others.

The editorial team will delete a comment that is off-topic, abusive, exceptionally incoherent, includes a slur or is soliciting and/or advertising. Repeated violations of the policy will result in revocation of your user account. Please keep in mind that this is our online home; ill-mannered house guests will be shown the door.

christophe | April 21, 2009 8:23 AM

He thinks that we represent only 2%???????? I always thought the figure was around 10% In no way do I believe the GLBT community only totals 2% of the entire population.

How could Melissa Etheridge stick up for this discusting fatback Falwell clone ? I found out several weeks ago driving on a CA freeway. Melissa wants to sell tickets to her concerts at gambling casinos in Southern California. I drove by her freeway billboard near Saddleback church. They are both media whores for personal profit. Turn the other cheek, right ? No wrong.

Why do these idiots always think no one will figure out who they are? Do they not realize that the internet isn't really anonymous just because you're hiding behind a screen? Geez.