Bil Browning

Michael Moore: Capitalism

Filed By Bil Browning | August 21, 2009 4:00 PM | comments

Filed in: Entertainment
Tags: Baron Hill, Blue Dog Democrats, capitalism, Michael Moore, stimulus package

I'll admit that I'm a huge fan of Michael Moore's movies, but I really want to see his newest flick that comes out in early October.

I honestly have no clue about the stimulus package and how all of this stuff works. Maybe Michael can explain it. Bonus points for including Indiana's Rep Baron Hill in the preview clip; while I like Baron he's a Blue Dog Dem and I want to strangle him sometimes. I wonder how he fares in the movie...

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I detest Michael Moore and all the rest of the far left. They stumped and voted for Nader in 2000, while we begged them not to. They put Bush in office, and Moore has never apologized for his treachery. Instead, he gave a pile of sleaziod rationalizations. But I'm sorry. I can't forget.

I don't think it was treachery, honestly. I believe his goal was to get Kerry to move to the left some and Kerry refused to do it. Instead we ended up with a candidate who was so milquetoast and W lite that he lost to a very unpopular President. That wasn't Moore's fault that Kerry ran one of the worst campaigns in history.

Brynn Craffey Brynn Craffey | August 22, 2009 11:00 AM

That's right, Wilberforce, blame the "far left," whatever the heck that means in this country right now, for Bush's election--twice!

The "far left": voters who support single-payer health care--something almost every other major industrialized nation has? An end to our two multi-trillion dollar wars that have destroyed our reputation throughout much of the world? Reigning in multinational corporations, who run roughshod over American workers? The principle of due process and that our government shouldn't torture nor spy on its citizens without a warrant? Equal rights for LGBT people?

Of course, never blame Bush's election on voter fraud, a Supreme Court engineered velvet coup, or strong-arm fascist mob tactics that stopped the Florida recount. Never blame the DNC and the likes of Rahm Emanuel or Terry McAuliffe, who for decades now have moved the party rightward, in a quest for $$$$, in the process abandoning the party's core principles to defend labor and the interests of poor working Americans and downtrodden minorities and thus losing those voters. Never blame terminally stupid and uninformed "centrist" or hardcore right-wing voters, who to this day believe such nonsense as the Democratic health care reform is a secret plot to kill grandma and force abortions and sex-change operations on everyone.

Michael Moore's style sometimes makes me cringe, but you know what?! Bravo to him!!! Because I think the American Left has become too easily intimidated. Too fearful of confrontation and of criticism from people like you. We need more Michael Moores, not fewer.

Bill Perdue Bill Perdue | August 23, 2009 2:58 PM

Brynn, when you say "in the process abandoning the party's core principles to defend labor and the interests of poor working Americans and downtrodden minorities" I think you’re wrong.

Those have never been the core principles of the Democrat Party, just its core scams.

FDR, the conservative uncritically adored by 'liberals' and local depression era Democrats used federal troops, imposed scab arbitrators, the national guard and local and state police to break strikes by workers, the unemployed, farmers and the homeless. It didn’t work. In 1993 the Toledo autoworkers strike, the Minneapolis Teamsters strike and the San Francisco dockworkers strike, under threat by FDR and local pro-management Democrats exploded into militant, powerful General Strikes where unions played the role of an alternate government. FDR, seeing red flags on the horizon peed his pants and granted huge concessions that led to the organization of steel, auto, coal and etc.

Truman, another liberal idol, was a notorious strike breaker, a noxious political scab who used federal influence and troops to break the postwar strike wave in 1946-47, especially the railroad and steel strikes. At the time Mike Quill, head of the AFL-CIO Transport Workers Union in New York, called Truman "the number one strike breaker of the American bankers and railroads.” His one favor to labor was to veto Taft-Hartley because he knew that Congressional Democrats were going to vote for it, thus avoiding that bullet.

Eisenhower was just as bad as FDR and Truman.

JFK wasn’t in office long enough to do much damage to unions but he was an opponent of the emerging civil rights movement. He initially voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act. He delayed signing an order to end discrimination in housing. He initially opposed the 1963 March on Washington and tried to force A. Phillip Randolph, its organizer and founder of the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters, AFL-CIO, to cancel it. John Lewis, a leader of the militant wing of the civil rights movement, SNCC was not allowed to deliver the gist of his speech which was an attack on the Democrats, Kennedy and Republicans. Kennedy made a grandstand publicity effort to get M. L. King out of jail and then set his secret police Doberman, J. Edgar Hoover on him, bugging his rooms and calls in an attempt to blackmail or embarrass him.

LBJ was a war criminal. He ‘helped’ the downtrodden by killing one or more millions of Vietnamese, Laotians and Cambodians and 55,000 plus working class GIs (with a little help from Nixon).

Carter deregulated S&Ls and between him and Reagan caused the deep recessions in the early and late 1980’s.

Bush1 was an anti-labor tool of the oil industry and war criminal.

Clinton created the current depression with a little help from anti-consumer, anti-labor Democrats and Republicans who voted overwhelming for deregulation, NAFTA, for more cops and less welfare. He ‘helped’ us with DOMA and DADT. And his crowning achievement was the murder of better than half a million Iraqi children. When he got done with them they more than just downtrodden, they were dead, starved to death and killed by preventable diseases. In what the UN and food aid groups described as a ‘humanitarian nightmare’ those 567,000 children and babies died because Clinton ordered an embargo on food, medicines and sanitary supplies in spite of the pleas and warning of the international community.

Bush2 was a repeat of Bush1 and Clinton, extending and embellishing their handiwork.

Obama is a repeat of the Bushes and Clinton. It remains to be seen how much damage he’ll get away with but it won’t be for lack of trying.

The Democrats never were a party for workers and the ‘downtrodden’, just a party that lied to them and fooled some of the people some of the time and some, as we’ve seen, all of the time

Bill Perdue Bill Perdue | August 22, 2009 8:41 PM

Moore is a rather mild social democrat who as far as I know has never had any connection to the fighting left (as opposed to those 'leftists' who lie in the street waiting for the Obus). Neither has Nader, although he’s a tireless, consummate reformist and a bit of a hero to millions.

Gore lost the election in 2000 because right centrist Democrats have no alternative politics easily distinguishable from the Republicans. He ran on Clintons record who gave us NAFTA, the deregulation which produced this recession cum depression, more cops and less welfare and the mass murder of Iraqi children. Is it any wonder that Gore, his successor, who uncritically supported all that, wasn’t elected?

Good for Nader, even if he is just a reformist.

Ditto Kerry in 2004. It made no difference which party won then and it makes even less difference now. People shift back and forth from one lesser evil to another with little hope of real change, especially when reality sets in after the election.

The two parties are in total agreement about mass murder in Iraq and Afghanistan just as the war Democrats supported LBJ and Nixon in Vietnam. They join forces to block the LGBT agenda and duke it out to see who the best panderer is. This time a Democrat won, hands down. They both oppose socialized medicine and they both sign those trillion dollar welfare checks for the looter rich.

“I'd rather vote for something I want and not get it than vote for something I don't want, and get it.” Eugene V. Debs

“I'd rather vote for something I want and not get it than vote for something I don't want, and get it.” Eugene V. Debs

"The largest party in America, by the way, is neither the Democrats nor the Republicans. It's the party of non-voters." Robert Reich

"I would not be a Capitalist; I would be a man; you cannot be both at the same time." Eugene V. Debs
"[t]here is only one party in the United States, the Property Party...and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt—until recently... and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties." Gore Vidal
Robert Ganshorn Robert Ganshorn | August 22, 2009 4:38 AM

Hindsight is always 20/20 and by espousing his views we are the better for it. I would take his points as just a fraction of what is really true and it is our collective job to become informed about our personal and collective financial situation.

There is an element of "gotcha" about Moore that is off putting. It is as though it is more important to make a point rather than solve a problem. If he would make a movie about all the solutions it wouldn't get an audience.

I've been a fan of Michael Moore for years his early movies and tv shows were informative, and entertaining and his newer films though not as funny fill a niche that no one else does. The term 'gotcha politics' is a term used by the right when they're called out on their lies and shady tactics and I frankly have no sympathy for anyone who's contributing to the decline of a liveable, free, and equitible sociey in return for power and wealth. 'ohh those poor oligarchs are having a light shined on their nefarious activities' it's not like they're going to agree to sit down with a reporter and spill the truth about bending the law in order to up profits. They're playing a game of 'gotcha capitalism' and turnabout is fair-play. Mr. Moore does exactly what Chomsky does just in a more entertaining format and kudos to both of him for devoting his life to trying to spread the truth and make America a place that's truly free for all.

I also strongly suported Nader in 2000, tried to convince frienda and family volunteered for the campaign, and while working for a certain company personally folded, sorted, and helped to distrubute thousands of Nader/LaDuke t-shirts. And I'd do it all over again without regret. Nader was the candidate I wanted to be president, he was the candidate that had a platform I believed in, Gore was not. In addition to what Bill listed above Gore was also the head of the United States/South African Binational trade comittee during the Clinton administration during which time he personally blocked compulsory liscencing and parallel importation o HIV/AIDS rugs in SA during which time an estimated 500,000 south aficans died needlessly (except the need for profit) from HIV/AIDS related complications- not to mention the Clinton administration's commitment to the Iraq embargo (another 500,000 children needlessly dead), and Gore's support of Plan Columbia. The most common reason that I heard in 2000 to vote for Gore was because if bush won he would lead us to war, but where was the Democratic and anti-Nader punditry opposition in 2003? mostly for invasion of Iraq. On a personal level Nader was the only presidential candidate in 2000 who supported a trans-inclusive ENDA. And last but not least Gore won 2000, in Florida too, Nader, Moore, et al didn't lose it for him or steal it- he won the vote, the supreme court and inaction of the people stole Gore's victory.

Maybe Moore isn't the prettiest person and he can be abrasive, but who else has been such an unwavering vocal proponent of liberal/progressive politics and ideas while calling attention to the very real problems created by right-wingers and centerists?

Where is the coverage for the other documentary called Stock Shock

Stock Shock
" The Short Selling of the American Dream "

This movie is also about Wall Street Law Changes that cripples this country financially due to Greed and coruption.

Richard Keane, narrator Stock Shock