Donna Pandori

Historic Declaration of Christian Conscience?

Filed By Donna Pandori | November 20, 2009 12:00 PM | comments

Filed in: Fundie Watch, Marriage Equality, Politics
Tags: Catholic church, evangelical Christian, Family Research Council, Focus on the Family, Manhattan Declaration, Orthodox, Tony Perkins

Today at noon national religious leaders will be releasing a 4,732-word statement signed by Orthodox, Catholic and Evangelical leaders, The statement dubbed Manhattan Declaration

issues a clarion call to Christians to adhere to their convictions and informs civil authorities that the signers will not - under any circumstance - abandon their Christian consciences.

Oh boy here we go.

UPDATE: Full text of "Manhattan Declaration" follows.

The statement was drafted by Dr. Robert George, Dr. Timothy George and Chuck Colson and signed by some 125 religious "leaders". Among the signers are:

Robert George, McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence, Princeton University

Donald William Wuerl, Archbishop of Washington, Diocese of Washington, D.C.

Harry Jackson Jr., Bishop, Hope Christian Church

Justin Rigali, Archbishop of Philadelphia, Diocese of Philadelphia

Timothy George, Professor, Beeson Divinity School at Samford University

Chuck Colson, Founder, The Chuck Colson Center for Christian Worldview

Ron Sider, Professor, Palmer Theological Seminary and Director of the Seminary's Sider Center on Ministry & Public Policy

George Weigel, Distinguished Senior Fellow, Ethics and Public Policy Center and Founding President of the James Madison Foundation

Tony Perkins, President, Family Research Council

Jim Daly, President and CEO, Focus on the Family

Are any of those names a surprise?

Here's what the "declaration" addresses -

Orthodox, Catholic & Evangelical Christian leaders will release the Manhattan Declaration at a Washington, D.C., press conference. Addressed not only to Christians, but to the president, Congress and civil authorities, the 4,700-word document - signed by more than 125 religious leaders - addresses the sanctity of life, traditional marriage and religious liberty.

Translation - anti-abortion, ban gay marriage, and religious liberty to be civilly disobedient.

Here are some excerpts:

  • "We recognize the duty to comply with laws whether we happen to like them or not, unless the laws are gravely unjust or require those subject to them to do something unjust or otherwise immoral."
  • ". . . We will not comply with any edict that purports to compel our institutions to participate in abortions, embryo-destructive research, assisted suicide and euthanasia or any other anti-life act; nor will we bend to any rule purporting to force us to bless immoral sexual partnerships, treat them as marriage or the equivalent or refrain from proclaiming the truth, as we know it, about morality and immorality and marriage and the family."

UPDATE - Manhattan Declaration (hat tip Bilerico contributor Jeremy!)


Christians are heirs of a 2,000-year tradition of proclaiming God's word, seeking justice in our societies, resisting tyranny, and reaching out with compassion to the poor, oppressed and suffering.

While fully acknowledging the imperfections and shortcomings of Christian institutions and communities in all ages, we claim the heritage of those Christians who defended innocent life by rescuing discarded babies from trash heaps in Roman cities and publicly denouncing the Empire's sanctioning of infanticide. We remember with reverence those believers who sacrificed their lives by remaining in Roman cities to tend the sick and dying during the plagues, and who died bravely in the coliseums rather than deny their Lord.

After the barbarian tribes overran Europe, Christian monasteries preserved not only the Bible but also the literature and art of Western culture. It was Christians who combated the evil of slavery: Papal edicts in the 16th and 17th centuries decried the practice of slavery and first excommunicated anyone involved in the slave trade; evangelical Christians in England, led by John Wesley and William Wilberforce, put an end to the slave trade in that country. Christians under Wilberforce's leadership also formed hundreds of societies for helping the poor, the imprisoned, and child laborers chained to machines.

In Europe, Christians challenged the divine claims of kings and successfully fought to establish the rule of law and balance of governmental powers, which made modern democracy possible. And in America, Christian women stood at the vanguard of the suffrage movement. The great civil rights crusades of the 1950s and 60s were led by Christians claiming the Scriptures and asserting the glory of the image of God in every human being regardless of race, religion, age or class.

This same devotion to human dignity has led Christians in the last decade to work to end the dehumanizing scourge of human trafficking and sexual slavery, bring compassionate care to AIDS sufferers in Africa, and assist in a myriad of other human rights causes - from providing clean water in developing nations to providing homes for tens of thousands of children orphaned by war, disease and gender discrimination.

Like those who have gone before us in the faith, Christians today are called to proclaim the Gospel of costly grace, to protect the intrinsic dignity of the human person and to stand for the common good. In being true to its own calling, the call to discipleship, the church through service to others can make a profound contribution to the public good.


We, as Orthodox, Catholic, and Evangelical Christians, have gathered, beginning in New York on September 28, 2009, to make the following declaration, which we sign as individuals, not on behalf of our organizations, but speaking to and from our communities. We act together in obedience to the one true God, the triune God of holiness and love, who has laid total claim on our lives and by that claim calls us with believers in all ages and all nations to seek and defend the good of all who bear his image. We set forth this declaration in light of the truth that is grounded in Holy Scripture, in natural human reason (which is itself, in our view, the gift of a beneficent God), and in the very nature of the human person. We call upon all people of goodwill, believers and non-believers alike, to consider carefully and reflect critically on the issues we here address as we, with St. Paul, commend this appeal to everyone's conscience in the sight of God.

While the whole scope of Christian moral concern, including a special concern for the poor and vulnerable, claims our attention, we are especially troubled that in our nation today the lives of the unborn, the disabled, and the elderly are severely threatened; that the institution of marriage, already buffeted by promiscuity, infidelity and divorce, is in jeopardy of being redefined to accommodate fashionable ideologies; that freedom of religion and the rights of conscience are gravely jeopardized by those who would use the instruments of coercion to compel persons of faith to compromise their deepest convictions.

Because the sanctity of human life, the dignity of marriage as a union of husband and wife, and the freedom of conscience and religion are foundational principles of justice and the common good, we are compelled by our Christian faith to speak and act in their defense. In this declaration we affirm: 1) the profound, inherent, and equal dignity of every human being as a creature fashioned in the very image of God, possessing inherent rights of equal dignity and life; 2) marriage as a conjugal union of man and woman, ordained by God from the creation, and historically understood by believers and non-believers alike, to be the most basic institution in society and; 3) religious liberty, which is grounded in the character of God, the example of Christ, and the inherent freedom and dignity of human beings created in the divine image.

We are Christians who have joined together across historic lines of ecclesial differences to affirm our right--and, more importantly, to embrace our obligation--to speak and act in defense of these truths. We pledge to each other, and to our fellow believers, that no power on earth, be it cultural or political, will intimidate us into silence or acquiescence. It is our duty to proclaim the Gospel of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in its fullness, both in season and out of season. May God help us not to fail in that duty.



So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Genesis 1:27

I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full. John 10:10

Although public sentiment has moved in a pro-life direction, we note with sadness that pro-abortion ideology prevails today in our government. The present administration is led and staffed by those who want to make abortions legal at any stage of fetal development, and who want to provide abortions at taxpayer expense. Majorities in both houses of Congress hold pro-abortion views. The Supreme Court, whose infamous 1973 decision in Roe v. Wade stripped the unborn of legal protection, continues to treat elective abortion as a fundamental constitutional right, though it has upheld as constitutionally permissible some limited restrictions on abortion. The President says that he wants to reduce the "need" for abortion--a commendable goal. But he has also pledged to make abortion more easily and widely available by eliminating laws prohibiting government funding, requiring waiting periods for women seeking abortions, and parental notification for abortions performed on minors. The elimination of these important and effective pro-life laws cannot reasonably be expected to do other than significantly increase the number of elective abortions by which the lives of countless children are snuffed out prior to birth. Our commitment to the sanctity of life is not a matter of partisan loyalty, for we recognize that in the thirty-six years since Roe v. Wade, elected officials and appointees of both major political parties have been complicit in giving legal sanction to what Pope John Paul II described as "the culture of death." We call on all officials in our country, elected and appointed, to protect and serve every member of our society, including the most marginalized, voiceless, and vulnerable among us.

A culture of death inevitably cheapens life in all its stages and conditions by promoting the belief that lives that are imperfect, immature or inconvenient are discardable. As predicted by many prescient persons, the cheapening of life that began with abortion has now metastasized. For example, human embryo-destructive research and its public funding are promoted in the name of science and in the cause of developing treatments and cures for diseases and injuries. The President and many in Congress favor the expansion of embryo-research to include the taxpayer funding of so-called "therapeutic cloning." This would result in the industrial mass production of human embryos to be killed for the purpose of producing genetically customized stem cell lines and tissues. At the other end of life, an increasingly powerful movement to promote assisted suicide and "voluntary" euthanasia threatens the lives of vulnerable elderly and disabled persons. Eugenic notions such as the doctrine of lebensunwertes Leben ("life unworthy of life") were first advanced in the 1920s by intellectuals in the elite salons of America and Europe. Long buried in ignominy after the horrors of the mid-20th century, they have returned from the grave. The only difference is that now the doctrines of the eugenicists are dressed up in the language of "liberty," "autonomy," and "choice."

We will be united and untiring in our efforts to roll back the license to kill that began with the abandonment of the unborn to abortion. We will work, as we have always worked, to bring assistance, comfort, and care to pregnant women in need and to those who have been victimized by abortion, even as we stand resolutely against the corrupt and degrading notion that it can somehow be in the best interests of women to submit to the deliberate killing of their unborn children. Our message is, and ever shall be, that the just, humane, and truly Christian answer to problem pregnancies is for all of us to love and care for mother and child alike.

A truly prophetic Christian witness will insistently call on those who have been entrusted with temporal power to fulfill the first responsibility of government: to protect the weak and vulnerable against violent attack, and to do so with no favoritism, partiality, or discrimination. The Bible enjoins us to defend those who cannot defend themselves, to speak for those who cannot themselves speak. And so we defend and speak for the unborn, the disabled, and the dependent. What the Bible and the light of reason make clear, we must make clear. We must be willing to defend, even at risk and cost to ourselves and our institutions, the lives of our brothers and sisters at every stage of development and in every condition.

Our concern is not confined to our own nation. Around the globe, we are witnessing cases of genocide and "ethnic cleansing," the failure to assist those who are suffering as innocent victims of war, the neglect and abuse of children, the exploitation of vulnerable laborers, the sexual trafficking of girls and young women, the abandonment of the aged, racial oppression and discrimination, the persecution of believers of all faiths, and the failure to take steps necessary to halt the spread of preventable diseases like AIDS. We see these travesties as flowing from the same loss of the sense of the dignity of the human person and the sanctity of human life that drives the abortion industry and the movements for assisted suicide, euthanasia, and human cloning for biomedical research. And so ours is, as it must be, a truly consistent ethic of love and life for all humans in all circumstances.


The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called woman, for she was taken out of man." For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. Genesis 2:23-24

This is a profound mystery--but I am talking about Christ and the church. However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband. Ephesians 5:32-33

In Scripture, the creation of man and woman, and their one-flesh union as husband and wife, is the crowning achievement of God's creation. In the transmission of life and the nurturing of children, men and women joined as spouses are given the great honor of being partners with God Himself. Marriage then, is the first institution of human society--indeed it is the institution on which all other human institutions have their foundation. In the Christian tradition we refer to marriage as "holy matrimony" to signal the fact that it is an institution ordained by God, and blessed by Christ in his participation at a wedding in Cana of Galilee. In the Bible, God Himself blesses and holds marriage in the highest esteem.

Vast human experience confirms that marriage is the original and most important institution for sustaining the health, education, and welfare of all persons in a society. Where marriage is honored, and where there is a flourishing marriage culture, everyone benefits--the spouses themselves, their children, the communities and societies in which they live. Where the marriage culture begins to erode, social pathologies of every sort quickly manifest themselves. Unfortunately, we have witnessed over the course of the past several decades a serious erosion of the marriage culture in our own country. Perhaps the most telling--and alarming--indicator is the out-of-wedlock birth rate. Less than fifty years ago, it was under 5 percent. Today it is over 40 percent. Our society--and particularly its poorest and most vulnerable sectors, where the out-of-wedlock birth rate is much higher even than the national average--is paying a huge price in delinquency, drug abuse, crime, incarceration, hopelessness, and despair. Other indicators are widespread non-marital sexual cohabitation and a devastatingly high rate of divorce.

We confess with sadness that Christians and our institutions have too often scandalously failed to uphold the institution of marriage and to model for the world the true meaning of marriage. Insofar as we have too easily embraced the culture of divorce and remained silent about social practices that undermine the dignity of marriage we repent, and call upon all Christians to do the same.

To strengthen families, we must stop glamorizing promiscuity and infidelity and restore among our people a sense of the profound beauty, mystery, and holiness of faithful marital love. We must reform ill-advised policies that contribute to the weakening of the institution of marriage, including the discredited idea of unilateral divorce. We must work in the legal, cultural, and religious domains to instill in young people a sound understanding of what marriage is, what it requires, and why it is worth the commitment and sacrifices that faithful spouses make.

The impulse to redefine marriage in order to recognize same-sex and multiple partner relationships is a symptom, rather than the cause, of the erosion of the marriage culture. It reflects a loss of understanding of the meaning of marriage as embodied in our civil and religious law and in the philosophical tradition that contributed to shaping the law. Yet it is critical that the impulse be resisted, for yielding to it would mean abandoning the possibility of restoring a sound understanding of marriage and, with it, the hope of rebuilding a healthy marriage culture. It would lock into place the false and destructive belief that marriage is all about romance and other adult satisfactions, and not, in any intrinsic way, about procreation and the unique character and value of acts and relationships whose meaning is shaped by their aptness for the generation, promotion and protection of life. In spousal communion and the rearing of children (who, as gifts of God, are the fruit of their parents' marital love), we discover the profound reasons for and benefits of the marriage covenant.

We acknowledge that there are those who are disposed towards homosexual and polyamorous conduct and relationships, just as there are those who are disposed towards other forms of immoral conduct. We have compassion for those so disposed; we respect them as human beings possessing profound, inherent, and equal dignity; and we pay tribute to the men and women who strive, often with little assistance, to resist the temptation to yield to desires that they, no less than we, regard as wayward. We stand with them, even when they falter. We, no less than they, are sinners who have fallen short of God's intention for our lives. We, no less than they, are in constant need of God's patience, love and forgiveness. We call on the entire Christian community to resist sexual immorality, and at the same time refrain from disdainful condemnation of those who yield to it. Our rejection of sin, though resolute, must never become the rejection of sinners. For every sinner, regardless of the sin, is loved by God, who seeks not our destruction but rather the conversion of our hearts. Jesus calls all who wander from the path of virtue to "a more excellent way." As his disciples we will reach out in love to assist all who hear the call and wish to answer it.

We further acknowledge that there are sincere people who disagree with us, and with the teaching of the Bible and Christian tradition, on questions of sexual morality and the nature of marriage. Some who enter into same-sex and polyamorous relationships no doubt regard their unions as truly marital. They fail to understand, however, that marriage is made possible by the sexual complementarity of man and woman, and that the comprehensive, multi-level sharing of life that marriage is includes bodily unity of the sort that unites husband and wife biologically as a reproductive unit. This is because the body is no mere extrinsic instrument of the human person, but truly part of the personal reality of the human being. Human beings are not merely centers of consciousness or emotion, or minds, or spirits, inhabiting non-personal bodies. The human person is a dynamic unity of body, mind, and spirit. Marriage is what one man and one woman establish when, forsaking all others and pledging lifelong commitment, they found a sharing of life at every level of being--the biological, the emotional, the dispositional, the rational, the spiritual--on a commitment that is sealed, completed and actualized by loving sexual intercourse in which the spouses become one flesh, not in some merely metaphorical sense, but by fulfilling together the behavioral conditions of procreation. That is why in the Christian tradition, and historically in Western law, consummated marriages are not dissoluble or annullable on the ground of infertility, even though the nature of the marital relationship is shaped and structured by its intrinsic orientation to the great good of procreation.

We understand that many of our fellow citizens, including some Christians, believe that the historic definition of marriage as the union of one man and one woman is a denial of equality or civil rights. They wonder what to say in reply to the argument that asserts that no harm would be done to them or to anyone if the law of the community were to confer upon two men or two women who are living together in a sexual partnership the status of being "married." It would not, after all, affect their own marriages, would it? On inspection, however, the argument that laws governing one kind of marriage will not affect another cannot stand. Were it to prove anything, it would prove far too much: the assumption that the legal status of one set of marriage relationships affects no other would not only argue for same sex partnerships; it could be asserted with equal validity for polyamorous partnerships, polygamous households, even adult brothers, sisters, or brothers and sisters living in incestuous relationships. Should these, as a matter of equality or civil rights, be recognized as lawful marriages, and would they have no effects on other relationships? No. The truth is that marriage is not something abstract or neutral that the law may legitimately define and re-define to please those who are powerful and influential.

No one has a civil right to have a non-marital relationship treated as a marriage. Marriage is an objective reality--a covenantal union of husband and wife--that it is the duty of the law to recognize and support for the sake of justice and the common good. If it fails to do so, genuine social harms follow. First, the religious liberty of those for whom this is a matter of conscience is jeopardized. Second, the rights of parents are abused as family life and sex education programs in schools are used to teach children that an enlightened understanding recognizes as "marriages" sexual partnerships that many parents believe are intrinsically non-marital and immoral. Third, the common good of civil society is damaged when the law itself, in its critical pedagogical function, becomes a tool for eroding a sound understanding of marriage on which the flourishing of the marriage culture in any society vitally depends. Sadly, we are today far from having a thriving marriage culture. But if we are to begin the critically important process of reforming our laws and mores to rebuild such a culture, the last thing we can afford to do is to re-define marriage in such a way as to embody in our laws a false proclamation about what marriage is.

And so it is out of love (not "animus") and prudent concern for the common good (not "prejudice"), that we pledge to labor ceaselessly to preserve the legal definition of marriage as the union of one man and one woman and to rebuild the marriage culture. How could we, as Christians, do otherwise? The Bible teaches us that marriage is a central part of God's creation covenant. Indeed, the union of husband and wife mirrors the bond between Christ and his church. And so just as Christ was willing, out of love, to give Himself up for the church in a complete sacrifice, we are willing, lovingly, to make whatever sacrifices are required of us for the sake of the inestimable treasure that is marriage.

Religious Liberty

The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners. Isaiah 61:1

Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's. Matthew 22:21

The struggle for religious liberty across the centuries has been long and arduous, but it is not a novel idea or recent development. The nature of religious liberty is grounded in the character of God Himself, the God who is most fully known in the life and work of Jesus Christ. Determined to follow Jesus faithfully in life and death, the early Christians appealed to the manner in which the Incarnation had taken place: "Did God send Christ, as some suppose, as a tyrant brandishing fear and terror? Not so, but in gentleness and meekness..., for compulsion is no attribute of God" (Epistle to Diognetus 7.3-4). Thus the right to religious freedom has its foundation in the example of Christ Himself and in the very dignity of the human person created in the image of God--a dignity, as our founders proclaimed, inherent in every human, and knowable by all in the exercise of right reason.

Christians confess that God alone is Lord of the conscience. Immunity from religious coercion is the cornerstone of an unconstrained conscience. No one should be compelled to embrace any religion against his will, nor should persons of faith be forbidden to worship God according to the dictates of conscience or to express freely and publicly their deeply held religious convictions. What is true for individuals applies to religious communities as well.

It is ironic that those who today assert a right to kill the unborn, aged and disabled and also a right to engage in immoral sexual practices, and even a right to have relationships integrated around these practices be recognized and blessed by law--such persons claiming these "rights" are very often in the vanguard of those who would trample upon the freedom of others to express their religious and moral commitments to the sanctity of life and to the dignity of marriage as the conjugal union of husband and wife.

We see this, for example, in the effort to weaken or eliminate conscience clauses, and therefore to compel pro-life institutions (including religiously affiliated hospitals and clinics), and pro-life physicians, surgeons, nurses, and other health care professionals, to refer for abortions and, in certain cases, even to perform or participate in abortions. We see it in the use of anti-discrimination statutes to force religious institutions, businesses, and service providers of various sorts to comply with activities they judge to be deeply immoral or go out of business. After the judicial imposition of "same-sex marriage" in Massachusetts, for example, Catholic Charities chose with great reluctance to end its century-long work of helping to place orphaned children in good homes rather than comply with a legal mandate that it place children in same-sex households in violation of Catholic moral teaching. In New Jersey, after the establishment of a quasi-marital "civil unions" scheme, a Methodist institution was stripped of its tax exempt status when it declined, as a matter of religious conscience, to permit a facility it owned and operated to be used for ceremonies blessing homosexual unions. In Canada and some European nations, Christian clergy have been prosecuted for preaching Biblical norms against the practice of homosexuality. New hate-crime laws in America raise the specter of the same practice here.

In recent decades a growing body of case law has paralleled the decline in respect for religious values in the media, the academy and political leadership, resulting in restrictions on the free exercise of religion. We view this as an ominous development, not only because of its threat to the individual liberty guaranteed to every person, regardless of his or her faith, but because the trend also threatens the common welfare and the culture of freedom on which our system of republican government is founded. Restrictions on the freedom of conscience or the ability to hire people of one's own faith or conscientious moral convictions for religious institutions, for example, undermines the viability of the intermediate structures of society, the essential buffer against the overweening authority of the state, resulting in the soft despotism Tocqueville so prophetically warned of. Disintegration of civil society is a prelude to tyranny.

As Christians, we take seriously the Biblical admonition to respect and obey those in authority. We believe in law and in the rule of law. We recognize the duty to comply with laws whether we happen to like them or not, unless the laws are gravely unjust or require those subject to them to do something unjust or otherwise immoral. The biblical purpose of law is to preserve order and serve justice and the common good; yet laws that are unjust--and especially laws that purport to compel citizens to do what is unjust--undermine the common good, rather than serve it.

Going back to the earliest days of the church, Christians have refused to compromise their proclamation of the gospel. In Acts 4, Peter and John were ordered to stop preaching. Their answer was, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God. For we cannot help speaking about what we have seen and heard." Through the centuries, Christianity has taught that civil disobedience is not only permitted, but sometimes required. There is no more eloquent defense of the rights and duties of religious conscience than the one offered by Martin Luther King, Jr., in his Letter from a Birmingham Jail. Writing from an explicitly Christian perspective, and citing Christian writers such as Augustine and Aquinas, King taught that just laws elevate and ennoble human beings because they are rooted in the moral law whose ultimate source is God Himself. Unjust laws degrade human beings. Inasmuch as they can claim no authority beyond sheer human will, they lack any power to bind in conscience. King's willingness to go to jail, rather than comply with legal injustice, was exemplary and inspiring.

Because we honor justice and the common good, we will not comply with any edict that purports to compel our institutions to participate in abortions, embryo-destructive research, assisted suicide and euthanasia, or any other anti-life act; nor will we bend to any rule purporting to force us to bless immoral sexual partnerships, treat them as marriages or the equivalent, or refrain from proclaiming the truth, as we know it, about morality and immorality and marriage and the family. We will fully and ungrudgingly render to Caesar what is Caesar's. But under no circumstances will we render to Caesar what is God's.

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Ron Sider's name is a surprise to me on the list. He along with Jim Wallis have positioned themselves as a counter to the Republican right-wing evangelical movement and typically lean left on poverty, human rights, war and peace, and environmental issues. Apparently he's a right-wing wack job now when it comes to human rights for LGBT issue. Shameful.

I don't really get what they mean by "any edict that purports to compel our institutions to participate in...." Really, that could be anything, since if they pay taxes as individuals, and the government provides, say, health care to same-sex partners of federal employees, then they're participating.

Also: 4700-word document? Are they proud or something? I've had posts on Bilerico that were longer than that. Couldn't they just have easily said "about 10 pages"? Or does that sound a little short for a press release on something they've basically been saying for the last... oh, forever.

Donna Pandori Donna Pandori | November 20, 2009 1:04 PM

4,732-words to be more precise. I guess they had to one-up the Dallas Principles.

"Christian Conscience?" Sounds more like "Christian Unconscious" to me.

Maybe we ought to start using "No Special Rights for Fundamentalists" as a rallying cry. It'd be a nice way to use their own rhetoric against them, now that they're the ones seeking special privileges on the basis of their "lifestyle choice."

Donna Pandori Donna Pandori | November 20, 2009 1:06 PM

I like that - "no special rights for fundamentalists"

Gonna use it today.
Facebook status, changed!

That is perfect. Religion is the real lifestyle choice here, after all.

That would look wonderful on a protest sign.

At last! We realize that religion is the biggest special interest group in the country.

Donna Pandori Donna Pandori | November 23, 2009 10:52 AM

No special rights for religios fundamentalists.

Relgious fundamentalists = largest special interest group in the US.

Angela Brightfeather | November 20, 2009 1:20 PM


Just what we needed, another bible to run our lives with.

So the big question now is, are these signers all going to consecrate themselves as diviners of the inspired word and equal to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? Are they the "New Age Prophets" that everyone must now consider divinely endowed, or are they simply, mostly men, mostly white, mostly hypocrites who sin daily and then run to the confessional or cry on their TV shows and ask for forgiveness?

I have a few revelantions for them that I bet don't appear in their list of "not to do's" but are equally as inspiring and true to the word of their God. I was visited by God and inspired to make this list so that it could be added as an addendum to their little edict.

1.) Nuns must stop beating up on little kids and taking out their pent up sexual frustration on them by hitting them with rulers and slapping them around.
2.) Priests must stop fondling little boys and having sex with them.
3.) Parishes must stop charging a levi on what people earn or making those people feel unwanted and less than others because they cannot afford it.
4.) Parishes must stop building churches that vie with the Vatican for prominence and stop building houses of worship that cost millions of dollars each, and placing them on every street corner they can find.
5.) Pastors and priests must stop condemning other people from their pulpits and judging them to be sinners.
6.) No more tapping one's foot in the public restrooms to lure othes for sex.
7.) You cannot take the collection on Sunday and turn it into your own personal bank account and to be used any way you want.
8.) Priests must only purchase Honda's. No more big black Cadillacs with chrome wheels and rich Corinthian leather.
9.) Priests and pastors must stop having sex with the women in the Holy Rosary Society or those who volunteer to "clean their houses and cook their meals".
10.) No more buying a pew for your family to sit in every Sunday. First come, first blessed and no seating arrangements for the privileged.
11.) When speaking about abortions, all sermons must be accompanied and have in plain sight, a plain black hanger, neatly folded and looped, to remind all present how abortions were done before they bacame legal to do them in a hospital and were perfomed in back alleys or tenement buildings by so called "abortion doctors" who charged $100.00 to $500.00 for the "procedure" and usually left the young teenage girl to bleed to death on her way home to her nice Christian family, where she then died rather than tell them that she had sex with the entire football team and really liked it.
12.) All Christians must declare themselves at a state of war with the Mormon church, which still allows marriages with more than one wife.
13.) All divorces or annulments will cease and desist and not be considered valid any longer. "What God has joined together, no man can put asunder." Either live it or become a infidel.
14.) No Christian man or woman may volunteer to kill another human being, or enroll in any organization that makes them fight and kill other human beings. (Unless they are fighting against Muslims).
15.) No Christian leader of any denomination shall declare any civil law unjust and has no right to do so. However, they may express their view at the voting booth just like everyone else.
16.) No denomination may appeal for tax exemption unless they can prove that they are helping the poor, the sick and the needy.
17.) All "televangelists" must go diretly to Hell. No Get Out of Jail cards will be issued and they don't get to collect anything for passing GO.

Almost makes you wanna puke.

In fact, when I read that statement, I almost did.

here's your fekkin Call of Christian Conscience

...WILMINGTON, Del. – The Catholic Diocese of Wilmington says it is obligated to keep paying retirement benefits to six priests who church officials have confirmed are pedophiles.

The diocese filed for Chapter 11 protection last month. Officials had told the judge the church would not make any payments to priests accused of sexual abuse without a court order, even if the abuse had not been substantiated.

But in a filing late Thursday, the diocese said it has an obligation to care for retired clergy, including priests dismissed from public ministry.

The motion asks for permission to continue paying benefits to six confirmed pedophiles, including 80-year-old former priest Francis DeLuca, who was defrocked after serving a jail term in New York for repeatedly abusing his grandnephew.

Two glaring issues for me among many:

"...the sexual trafficking of girls and young women, (WHAT ABOUT BOYS AND YOUNG MEN?- AMPLE EXAMPLES WHICH CONTINUE TO BE IGNORED) the abandonment of the aged, racial oppression and discrimination, the persecution of believers of all faiths, and the failure to take steps necessary to halt the spread of preventable diseases like AIDS (HUH? LIKE PROMOTING CONDOM USE AND SAFE SEX PRACTICES?).

Implosion beginning in 3, 2, 1....

These "fundamentalists" who claim to adhere to Christianity are simple self-deluded hypocritical bigots who know nothing of the religion they claim to practice. These people foam at the mouth when they should be listening to the inner voice of the Spirit. And, they are ignorant of tenets of their falsely claimed faith, being blinded by dogma and prejudice.

Let all who claim salvation but reject LGBT equality remember Jesus' important teaching is this area:

"Inasmuch as you have done it unto the least of these, my brethren, you have done it unto me."

Remember this and know that the key to the Kingdom of Heaven is one's inner attitude towards the universally present spirits of God the Father and Jesus, his son, and the way one treats one's fellow human. Dogma is irrelevant, as is participation in any organized religion.

I expect heaven to be full of wonderful people who were LGBTQIABDSM (bet you didn't see that one coming) in their mortal lives and relatively empty of popes, prelates, archbishops, metropolitans, imams, bishops, and all the other societal whores of organized religions. Of course, I am only referring to those (including rabbis, priests, preachers, nuns, youth ministers, counselors, choir directors, organists, deacons, and general members of any religion organized on Earth) who fail this simple test of faith and not the millions of simple believers who, being led astray by evil and falsely religious hierarchies find it impossible to cope with the real challenge of life--loving their neighbors as themselves.

Contrary to all the bulshyte being marketed by "religious authority" (which is a purely human designation unrecognized by God) Jesus gave a few simple directions to those who would claim to follow him and teach and preach in his name (and it wasn't to study the dogma to get it right):

"Love one another as I have loved you. Serve one another as I have served you. By this will all men know you are my disciples."

Got it? Pretty simple, isn't it? Now be happy, have fun, and tell religious "authority" to get lost, absolutely and permanently. If you stop paying attention to their bulshyte they WILL "get lost" because God has ALREADY dropped them from HIS mailing list. The involvement of people who cede authority over their personal lives and beliefs to self-important men who actually demonstrate every day that they know nothing of God is the only thing that is keeping this crap going.

I pray for the souls of these arrogant, self-blinded and miserable men and call on them to repent of their iniquity before God, man, and the congregations of humankind they have so completely betrayed and humbly seek their forgiveness for having mortally sinned against them. I also pray for the souls of those naïve people whose ability to know God has been deliberately destroyed by organized religion. Finally, I pray that God will grant to everyone in the LGBTQIABDSM world the spiritual insight and courage to know, reject, and, when possible, speak out against organizations (including religions) that do evil in the name of good.

Yeah, I say we hold them to their promises instead of catering to their demands. As I wrote on my blog today in response: "Religious Liberty" My Ass!

Well good for them! I applaud their efforts. Really I do, cross my little gay heart.

It is always preferable for your enemies to come right out and say so in a document. We now have them signing a statement of intolerance and drawing a line in the sand that says they will not obey the law.

Now when they go on the air and claim they are not bigoted idiots, that they are willing to give us limited rights, that they really don't harbor hate in their hearts, we can at that point pull out their signed document and demand to the world that they be branded properly.

I think I will send the ArchBigot a thank you card.

bla bla bla

What about my religious rights? Where does my rights even come in to play in that document? No where.

Anticlericalism is as old as the Republic. There are millions of Americans who violently disagree with their bigotry, superstition and ignorance.

“Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man.” Thomas Jefferson

"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government.” Thomas Jefferson

“During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? …superstition, bigotry, and persecution.” James Madison

“Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory in itself than this thing called Christianity” Thomas Paine

“Lighthouses are more useful than churches” Benjamin Franklin

The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures have become clearer and stronger with advancing years, and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them." Abraham Lincoln

So. Another declaration of war from the christer cults.

These irredeemable bigots have been at it for 1300 or 1400 hundred years. During the Dark Ages and until about 1850 they burned and tortured us and stole our wealth with impunity.

Since the invention of the French National Razor and its use on obstinate clerics during the French Revolution and later examples set by the Bolsheviks and the Spanish anarchists they've toned it down a bit, but now they’re showing signs of wanting a rematch.

What they did to us is pretty much what they did to everyone.

In spite of their beginnings as a breakaway judaic sect they’ve fueled anti-Semitism for centuries. In Germany the vast majority of christer clerics, with only a few heroic exceptions, lined up with the Nazis and kept quiet about their mass murder of Poles, Jews, Soviet citizens and soldiers and others.

In the colonial world they're always been the main ideological buttress of colonialism, slavery and the mass murder of peoples from Africa, Asia, the Americas and Australasia. As Desmond Tutu puts it

"When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said, 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land.”

They’re the backbone of misogyny, the mistreatment of children and all the christer cults infested with child rapists.

To defend ourselves we should demand that the enablers and promoters of sexual abuse like Boston cardinal Law be indicted and extradited from their Vatican hideout. Boston cardinal Law should be in jail. The DoJ went after Polanski based on a 31-year-old warrant. Surely they can take on Bernard Law, whose crimes are much, much worse and much more recent.

We need to push for laws and regulations that forbid priests, imams, preachers, rabbis, mullahs or pastors access to children unless armed guards are present.

We need to fight for laws to confiscate the wealth of the roman cult and the other cults that promote child rape to compensate their victims. It’s time to reenergize the fight to tax the cults, secularize their schools, hospitals and universities and close their seminaries.

When hate crimes occur we should point out the relationship between hate speech and hate crimes and make every effort to sue the cults for promoting violent crimes.

Rev. Donna Lee | November 21, 2009 10:02 AM

Whatever happened to seperation of church and state? And what about a declaration for us that do not believe in the bible or in christianity? This nation today is very close to becoming a theocratic fundamentalist christian state. We are at the crossroads of our liberty and we must fight back.

We don't need a "Declaration". We already have one: it's called the Constitution!

The statement by the Catholic Church that their hospitals will do everything to keep people alive who are in a vegetative state even if they have a medical directive stating otherwise, as well as the statement by the Bishop Torbin who refuses communion to Kennedy that those Catholics in government must obey the laws of God or risk the peril to their souls, is not only mediveal, it will frighten many who will see them as fanatics and they will alientate many. In the meanwhile though, it will be tough. We will need to speak our truth and not buckle to their bigotry.

The Supreme Court has 5 Catholic Justices! the validity of Prop 8 will be before them soon. We have got to begin the conversation about the appropriateness of Catholics deciding laws about us given the Catholic Church's stance against same sex marriage. I think this is a conversation and debate most Americans will regard as reasonalbe as long as we can keep our side of the conversation reasoned.