Alex Blaze

For all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword

Filed By Alex Blaze | March 09, 2010 6:00 PM | comments

Filed in: Marriage Equality, Politics
Tags: California, LGBT, randy thomasson, roy ashburn

While I was gone last week, another conservative Republican who votes against LGBT rights turned out to be gay. I'm sure you've heard already how California senator Roy Ashburn was caught drunk-driving home from a gay bar and then came out. And now the Religious Right is asking for his head. What else can they do? The guy voted their way but that's not enough; he has to be the right kind of person.

"Roy Ashburn should resign," Randy Thomasson, president of the Christian-based, said in a statement released Tuesday. "His lying, cheating ways have boiled over and the public's trust has been shattered."[...]

Thomasson called Ashburn "dramatically out of step with his constituents" because he has "openly identified with the 'LGBT' [Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender] lifestyle."
"Demonstrating himself to be self-serving," Thomasson added, "Ashburn has proven himself untrustworthy as a public servant."

Ashburn, who is a father of four, divorced his wife in 2003. Nevertheless, Thomasson listed infidelity as another reason for calling for his resignation: "He vowed to be faithful to his wife, then broke his vows when he chose homosexuality over his marriage."

And called Ashburn "mistaken" about being gay: "No one is truly 'gay' because the so-called 'gay gene' does not exist. What's more, there are thousands of Americans who formerly engaged in homosexual behavior who have gotten help and have left their unnatural lifestyle behind."

You'd think that "choice" would make Thomasson reconsider his warped view of reality. If someone with all the motivation in the world to be straight, like a Republican legislator with a stable career who had a wife and children, wasn't able to do it, maybe a sex drive is more powerful than mere intelligence or will or morality and we should learn to respect it.

I don't know what Ashburn is planning on doing. He might resign in shame like other Republicans have done, or he might go all Larry Craig and stay in office until the next election, where I'm guessing his chances aren't that good. Either way, though, if/when he leaves office it won't be because he's a hypocrite, as much as we'd like it to be about that. And it won't be because he's a drunk driver, as much as some of us would like for it to be about that.

No, it'll be because he's gay. The only people who could get him to resign now are those in his party, since he's obviously never really cared what LGBT Californians think about him. And his constituents, if it's true that he was voting their views when he voted against LGBT legislation, and if they do vote based on this scandal, aren't going to be thinking about anything more complicated than the fact that he's a homo.

I'd wish him the best, since I'd love to see his views on social issues evolve now that he's come out, although since he links enthusiastically to this economic plan (I'm being generous) from his webpage, he seems to be a typical California anti-tax nut and therefore deserves no more goodwill than his kind have shown for average people.

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No, Thomasson probably feels that he has just descended into sin, called by the devil to a bathhouse or whatever.

Logic is NOT the religious right's strong suite

We don't know that, and I think that if he's willing to come out as gay, publicly, it means that he's a bit further along than that. Plus coming out changes people and the way they view their sexuality. I wouldn't be surprised if he changed now.

Plus, Ashburn was deceptine, cruising bars whilst helping the enemies of our humanity wage war upon us.

What really sickens me, though, is that there were members of our community willing to sleep with this man knowing who he was and what he was doing to the Larger LGBT community. It makes me wonder if we as a group are guilty of the kind of self-absorbed hedonism that the Christian Right is forever accusing us of. At least in Ashburn's neighborhood, the charge, at least amongst our brothers, appears to be true.

Ashburn, who is a father of four, divorced his wife in 2003. Nevertheless, Thomasson listed infidelity as another reason for calling for his resignation: "He vowed to be faithful to his wife, then broke his vows when he chose homosexuality over his marriage."

Does Thomasson know for a fact that his sexual orientation was the (only) reason that Ashton and his wife got divorced? Or is he just making assumptions?

Similarly, I'm uncomfortable with the idea that Ashton was at the bar looking to cruise men. It's possible, and maybe even likely. But people do go to bars for other reasons, too. Even gay bars.

Now maybe other people have more factual information than I do. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if that's the case. But if everyone's just making assumptions, then I think that's reason for concern.

Either way, he came out on the radio later, and most people are focusing on the fact that he was gay. Plus lots of people have come out of the woodwork saying they knew all along that he was gay, like the mayor of sacramento and a few people in the media.

But yeah on your point on the divorce. We don't really know why that happened and making assumptions about both his and her lives at that point isn't productive.

...actually I'm tired of hearing anything from anyone who says that "the gay gene does not exsit" becuase I yet have heard of a "evangelical gene" at all.

“Family Values” California state senator representing Kern County, Republican Roy Ashburn (guess how he votes on gay issues?), goes to a gay bar near the Capital, picks up a scantily clad buddy, gets drunk, drives and receives a DUI. In my opinion the Republican Party has been taken over small portions of the republican party of “birthers, baggers and blowhards” (people who love to push their beliefs on others while trying to take away rights of those they just hate) and that’s who they need to extract from their party if they real want to win. Good Luck, because as they said in WACO, “We Ain’t Coming Out”. They are good at “Follow the Leader”. They listen to their dullard leaders Beck, Hedgecock, Hannity, O’Reilly, Rush and Savage and the rest of the Blowhards. The world is complicated and most republicans (Hamiliton, Lincoln, Roosevelt) believe that we should use government a little to increase social mobility, now its about dancing around the claim that government is the problem. The sainted Reagan passed the biggest tax increase in American history and as a result federal employment increased, but facts are lost when mired in mysticism and superstition. Although most republicans are trying to distant themselves from this fringe they have a long way to go. I guess Ashburn is the first on the list “2010 Republican Summer of Love”. Remember last year list of “2009 Republican Summer of Love”: state assemblyman, Michael D. Duvall (CA), Senator John Ensign (NV), Senator Paul Stanley (TN), Governor Mark Stanford (SC), SC Board of Ed Chair, Kristin Maguire (AKA Bridget Keeney). Do I hear Tammy Wynette, “Stand By Your Man” playing in the background? I remember not so long ago that other Orange County song favorite, “Stand By Your Tan” (for Tan Nguyen). But that’s another Orange County fool.

Bill Perdue Bill Perdue | March 10, 2010 3:07 AM

In spite of the opinions of apologists for homohating politicians there really are no excuses for the mindless homophobia of the vast majority of Republican legislators and the majority of Democrat legislators in most states and at the federal level.

Ashburn isn't gay, queer or anything of the kind. He’s a homosexual gentleman like Senator Craig and others.

His chances of getting free sex are approaching zero. Here’s a link (thanks to Mad4Maddow at Pams) to the site 1,000,000 Gay Men and Allies Against Roy Ashburn Having Sex Ever Again.

The need to get elected and feed at the public trough is the justification for most of the official and legal bigotry in American politics just as the need to squeeze money from illiterate lumpen (1) strata in the US is the reason for cult homohating.

The kind of reasoning that says “I was just trying to get elected” in no way differs from Adolf Eichmann’s defense "I was just following orders...” Those who speak out against quality and for discrimination on questions like same sex marriage are functional bigots, and if they're homosexual, they're Quislings.

There is a direct connection between Quislings like Ashburn and the murder of innocent LGBT youth like L. King, murdered a couple of months after Democrats dropped the hate crimes bill in 2007 trawling for bigot votes - which they got. Quisling also applies to closeted 'homosexual gentlemen and gentlewomen' in both parties like Senator Larry C. Quisling and to Spokane Mayor Jim W. Quisling, who championed an anti-gay agenda while leading Republicans in the Washington State Legislature.

And it most certainly describes the Democrat who demeaned and tried to drive out Transfolk, splitting them from our common struggle, who opposes fighting the fight for same sex marriage and who successfully gutted ENDA in 2007.

That would be Barney F. Quisling.

There are no valid excuses to justify voting for discrimination - whether it comes from Democrats or Republicans.

Ashburn wouldn’t be able to make heads or tails of what Oscar Wilde meant when he said ” ... I have no doubt that we shall win, but the road is long, and red with monstrous martyrdoms.” if his life depended on it because swine like Ashburn create martyrs.

(1)Lumpen refers to dispossessed or displaced people cut off from their prior social and economic class. German and Austrian shop owners and middle class small farmers, dispossessed and displaced by World War One and the rearrangement of borders by the Treaty of Versailles formed a large lumpen layer that was effectively exploited by Hitler.

Ashburn isn't gay, queer or anything of the kind. He’s a homosexual gentleman like Senator Craig and others.

He did come out and Larry Craig still hasn't. That's a key difference. I believe if he stays in office we could see Ashburn change.

Bill Perdue Bill Perdue | March 10, 2010 7:47 PM

OK, Alex.

But you and Bil and all the other Democrats at Bilerico also believed (and judgeing by their defensive attitudes may still believe) that Obama would be different, or better than, or preferable to Clinton or the Bushes. What we got instead was a frontender, a train wreck of a wider war, trillions for the looter rich, and a health care bill that any insurance exec would be proud of.

The Republicans wreck would have departed from a different track but their train wreck would've been just as disasterous.

Alex, your track record of predicting political causes and effects leaves a little to be desired.

Barney F. Quisling outed himself before the rumor mongers got to him. Look how he turned out?

There's something about being in the closet that rots the personalities of these people and makes them bitter and vindictive against the LGBT communities.

Beefelis britt | March 10, 2010 7:21 AM

When I read site all comments then I feel very good ..where I'm guessing his chances aren't that good. Either way, though, if/when he leaves office it won't be because he's a hypocrite, as much as we'd like it to be about that. And it won't be because he's a drunk driver, as much as some of us would like for it to be about that.
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Rick Sours | March 10, 2010 7:55 AM

In the case of Ashburn he was having sex with other men yet at the same time taking an active political role against the LBGT community. I do not believe in outing people but how could members of the LBGT community know of his activities and keep quiet. I simply do not understand. One can only imagine the harm done to the LBGT community by this individual.

Did you hear that AFTER he admitted he was Gay, he said he will continue to speak out against the LBGT community politically since this is the view of the people he represents?

These articles never seem to phase me much, too many, too often. It's just so sad that people do not have the courage to be honest about themselves and use hate to deal with their personal struggles. Whether or not the outfall from this - either from his 'peers' or our Community - will help him in this personal struggle of his own, only time will tell.

I hardly envy or like the guy, but this personal hell he now has to deal with is far reaching: His colleauges, his friends, the gay community, his family. To start a witchhunt like those of his own are shameful. Those that do, are perhaps no better than him.

No, perhaps not a popular thought, but then again, being one of those 'uppity' trans activists, I am used to being unpopular. To quiote myself, "One's message isn't being heard, if one has no enemies."

“Compassion will cure more sins than condemnation” - Henry Ward Beecher

There's another angle on this that people have been missing. The bar he came out of is well known for its mostly Latino clientele -- and Ashburn's record on immigration aint any better than his on gay rights.

This man is a serious mess.