Joe Mirabella

He would have died for us

Filed By Joe Mirabella | March 14, 2010 3:30 PM | comments

Filed in: Living
Tags: Boulder, Catholic church, Colorado, Lesbian families

The Catholic church is no longer satisfied by just persecuting gay and lesbian couples, but they are going after our children now too.

The Miami Herald reported:

The archbishop of Denver on Tuesday defended a decision by a Catholic school not to allow two children to continue as students because their parents are a lesbian couple.

Archbishop Charles J. Chaput said it was a "painful situation," but the decision by Sacred Heart of Jesus parish school in Boulder was in line with church teachings.

Chaput said the school told the parents that one of the children could complete kindergarten and the other could complete preschool, but neither could continue after that.

As a confirmed Catholic, I feel absolutely no remorse for what I'm about to say.

The Catholic Church's leadership has strayed from the teachings of Jesus, not gays and lesbians. If the Church is concerned about a crisis of morality, they need to look no further than policies that condone the blatant persecution of kindergarten and pre-school children.

As someone who spent years deprogramming myself from the bullshit the Catholic church brainwashed me with, such as "people who masturbate will spend eternity in hell," I should not be surprised when I see evil like this from the Church. But I am. I'm shocked. I'm disgusted. I feel like gagging myself on a crucifix and puking on the Bible!

Children should never, ever, be shunned because adults disagree. It is cruel. It is evil. It is the anti-thesis to the teachings of Jesus. Jesus was a loving, caring person. He would have been outside the school with the protesters supporting the children. He would have marched with us in Washington DC last fall.

He would have died for us....

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A. J. Lopp | March 14, 2010 6:08 PM

This would absolutely infuriate me ... if I weren't so detached from it (sorry, I must admit).

I dare the Archbishop of Denver to find one verse in the Bible that unambiguously prohibits lesbianism. Paul apparently alludes to it in Romans 1:26; but otherwise, lesbianism is not even mentioned throughout the rest of the Bible.

It is so sad when "Christians" defend their prejudices by claiming they are "based on Scripture." They need to read the Scriptures and figure out what actually is being said.

Truer words were never spoken so well. Its so sad that once upon a time the church was a caring loving place. Now its just... just a place that makes money and isn't taxed. A place that gives predetors of children somewhere to hide.

I'm disgusted and once again so very glad that neither I nor my children have been raised Catholic.

It's infuriating, but on some level it's probably best for the kid to be rid of the church now instead of later.

What I don't get is the explanation that the parents reject Catholic teaching so their kid was rejected. I remember the catholic college near where I grew up - they boasted that only half their student body was catholic. I knew jews and protestants who went there, and my mother, who's not a practicing catholic, who taught there.

And i'd think that that would be the biggest rejection of catholic teaching possible.

The entire Church is ROTTEN TO THE CORE!

I remember when The Vatican was saying the pedophile scandal was specific to the USA. I think it was our lack of "moral fiber", or some such rot, that caused the whole thing.

Now that sexual abuse of children is beginning to infect the pope, and those around him -- the spokespeople say, "He knows nothing, nothing I say, nothing".

Now, a CHILD, little more than a baby, is being punished for the "sins" of the mothers. Total stupidity. Total insanity.

This is just another sign of the insane right wing slant religion has taken -- in the USA and elsewhere.

They've picked their scapegoat -- and, it's us.

Stop supporting any and all religious based organizations. Stop giving directly, stop attending services.

If you must believe, remember, "every man, and woman, their priest". Eliminate the middle man.

For believers, it's time for another reformation -- one of love, caring, acceptance, joy.

we've had WAY TOO MUCH "Old Time Religion".

The only upside to this is that hateful incidents like Denver are at least bringing about the downfall and implosion of Catholicism in the industrialized world at a more rapid rate. It's been happening for decades now, but in the past 5 years alone, the Catholic heirarchy has been revving up their tendency to shoot themselves in the foot with increasingly outrageous and Draconian edicts. I am also a confirmed Catholic but abhor hypocrisy especially when it hides under a white collar and religiosity. These days, I only go to church for weddings and funerals, and increasingly, most 'I was born' Catholics are doing the same. As we see with all the church closings; the Catholic Church can't survive in this climate, which explains their zeal in converting the less educated populations of Africa and South America.

John Rutledge | March 15, 2010 10:19 AM

Hi, I am writing to give you a bit more theological thought on that verse. I was just reading on this. Paul does not allude to gay activity when he talks about men and women giving up natural relations for unnatural and having sex with one another.
Basically today we would say these are straight men and women 'giving up' who they are naturally atracted to. He is not talking about people who have had an attraction to the same sex from an early age.
Why did they do that? In the context of the time, there were practices of pagan sexual orgies which Paul was aware of. It is understandable he would condemn these practices.
Anyone using this verse to condemn homosexual relations as unnatural is projecting their own prejudice into these verses and reading this out of context. We know today same sex activity is natural for those who happen to be made that way. See I am paraphrasing from a book by Justin R Cannon.

"Suffer the little children to come unto me..." what?

And as the Bible says--Jesus told us to "Love thy neighbor as thyself", and this Archbishop has shown NO love by defending the decision.

The bishops and the Vatican do not speak for most Catholics on these issues.

Two-thirds of Catholics-in-the-pews reject the Roman hierarchy’s homophobic views, according to every survey. About a third of American and European Catholics support full marriage rights including sacramental marriage, while another third support civil unions.

In fact, the real “Church” is the millions who fill the pews and pay the bills, not the handful of self-appointed hierarchs.

Scripture refers to the Church as the “Ecclesia” -- the “assembly” of the faithful, the full Body of Christ. The Ecclesia supports same-gender unions, and many local priests quietly bless same-gender commitments. This ‘sensus fidelium’ is the true teaching of the Church.

The most beloved gay Catholic of our time, Fr. Mychal Judge, ‘the Saint of 9/11’, often asked, “Is there so much love in the world that we can afford to discriminate against any kind of love ?!” He also urged us, “Don’t let the institutional church get in the way of your relationship with God.”

It is ironic that this school is named for the Sacred Heart of Jesus who said, “Let the children come to me.” He didn’t say, “except the children of gays”. And Christ would most certainly never punish little children to punish the parents.

Juston Thouron Juston Thouron | March 15, 2010 5:51 PM

The Catholic Church of the ideal, the Catholic Church of Chesterton and Newman does not exist and never existed in reality. Only in the ideals of some of her members. The ones who genuinely tried, and tried hard, to walk the path of love.

Their church never deserved them.