Alex Blaze

Queer music Friday - Neangely

Filed By Alex Blaze | November 26, 2010 5:00 PM | comments

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I wish I could tell you all more about Neangely, but all I can find on them is that they're a techno duo from Ukraine. Here's "Otpusti":

This is "Boy," a little more traditional techno:

And here they are with Dana International in "I Need Your Love":

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YES!!! Where do I get this music? :D

Nothing like the former Soviet Union for putting together their uber-sexy, slutty crypto-queer groups! Let's see... T.A.T.U meets Dana International meets Shura (the post-Soviet Union's first gay disco superstar)... honestly, what's not to love?!

I think it's interesting how with TaTU there was the entire "are they lesbians or aren't they"... and now with No Angels, they're throwing out a "are they trans or not" schtick.

Either way, Lenin must be turning over in his... display case.

Btw, in case anyone is confused, these two young women are not trans... it's a gimmick. They have them lipsync to male disco singers and put them with Dana International to give the impression they are. They've actually been around in Ukraine since 2005 or so and, in the same way they promoted TaTu to success by suggesting they were a pair of teenage lesbian runaways, that's how they're trying to promote No Angels as trans women.

Here's a video of them speaking during a fashion shoot:

OK, I was wondering that. I didn't want to include it in the post because I couldn't find a credible source discussing that, so I thought I'd put it up and see if anyone knew who they were.

I'm still unclear about their voices. They seem to lipsync in all their videos (which is pretty typical in Eastern European pop), but they do sound more stereotypically "male-ish" in the last several years than they used to. Sometimes they sound like they're doing a Cher impression (especially Viktorya, the brunette).

There are some songs where they sound almost exactly like Russian disco king and queer icon Shura, so I'm wondering if they're mixing his voice in, he's actually doing some of their singing or it's an impersonator.

Whatever the gender gimmick is -- this group may live and perform in Ukraine, but they're not Ukrainian. They're singing in Russian.

Sad to say, even though Ukraine is now independent for the first time in several centuries, there is still a heavy "russification" of Ukrainian culture going on, that dates back to Soviet days, and before that, to Czarist days.

The way Ukrainians feel about this, is like the way the Irish feel about English occupation of Ireland.

Patricia, they're from Kiev. Like it or not, Kiev is a Russian speaking city and has been for a long time. Eastern Ukraine is largely Russian speaking... Odessa is a Russian city (except for all the people who's moved to Brighton Beach and San Francisco), the Donbas region... Russian speaking, the Crimea is a Russian-speaking area (even though it was originally Crimean Tartars... they've been booted out by both the Ukrainians and Russians). Yes, I understand Ukrainians feeling bad about Russification but you can say that about most of the former Soviet Union which has a strong resemblance to how expansionism 'worked' in creating the US. Much of what we call Ukraine was also formerly Polish speaking with a sizable Jewish population... who were murdered or booted out. Ukraine has always been a patchwork quilt and the concept of "a pure, historic Ukraine" is mostly a fantasy of right-wing nationalists who were also Nazi collaborators.

You have a lot to learn about Ukrainian history and culture. And your comments about Ukrainian identity as a "right wing fantasy" would shock a lot of Ukrainian emigres who fled the country to get away from the forced Russification. Including all the intelligentsia I knew in the emigre community who lived through the Stalinist purges.

Patricia, I'm curious what your comment has to do with this thread?

"Ukraine" can mean a legally defined national boundary, a culture or a "nationality" as shown on passports (just like Jewish, Russian, Chechen, Kazak, and Tartar are distinct nationalities as shown on a passport from anywhere in the former Soviet Union). The video is from the nation called The Ukraine. That's really all the story was suggesting.

The music may or may not be produced by those who speak Ukrainian or are ID'd as Ukrainian nationality. Guess what, there are people who make music in the US who don't record in English. There are people in France who don't record in French. And if you know anything about the history of what is now called The Ukraine, it was always a patchwork quilt of different peoples including Poles, Romanians, Tartars, Jews and Russians along with the people known as Ukrainians.

That The Ukraine as a country, the Kulaks (called kurkuls in The Ukraine), and those with Ukrainian nationality faced ethnic cleansing and mass-murder by Stalin is a fact. It's also a fact that Ukrainian nationalists like Stepan Bandera also practiced brutal ethnic cleansing and that many of the Ukrainian organizations in North America have connections to Bandera and other Ukrainian Nazi collaborators.

I made the first comment because language IS a big issue over there, whether it's in a newspaper or a music video. So sorry, but that's how many Ukrainians see it today. Not off-topic, in my opinion.

And since you veered this thread into a claim that Ukrainian nationalism equals Nazi collaborators, I'm going to respond to your misinformation one more time.

Centuries before the Nazis ever came along, Ukrainian national consciousness grew out of a common language shared by different regions that came under different kinds of foreign control. A cultural and political nationalism and spirit of independence based on this language was striving to express itself.

By the 18th century, Ukrainian leaders (the Hetmans) were fighting to free themselves from the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Ottoman Turkish empire, the Crimean Khanate, the Russian Czarist Empire. Ultimately the Hetman effort was a failure. From the Czarist period on, the Great Russians have long tried to impose their language over Ukrainian.

After the 1917 Revolution, as the Soviet Union formed up, the new government in Moscow retained control over a large part of Ukraine. But during that early post-revolution period, the threat of a reviving Ukrainian spirit of independence was already a hot question among Russian communist leaders. Lenin was in favor of the different republics in the Union having the right to "self determination" -- to celebrate their national identities, cultures and languages.

That liberalism came to an end when Lenin died in 1924. When Stalin took leadership, he established a policy of forcibly unifying the Soviet Union and Russifying all the non-Russian republics. The purges starting in 1933, that aimed to stamp out that reviving cultural and political nationalism in Ukraine, wiped out the entire upper echelon of the Soviet Ukrainian government as well as thousands of writers, artists, teachers, etc.

In short, this all-out war on Ukrainian nationalism pre-dated the Nazi invasion of the USSR by almost a decade.

Thanks for your history lesson, but I never said Ukrainian Nationalism = Nazi Collaborators.

I said there were many people involved with Ukrainian nationalism who were collaborators during the period of Nazi occupation, especially in regard to killing Jews and other targeted minorities. Some of these collaborators later ended up being targets of the Nazis themselves because of their dedication to an Independent Ukraine, while others who were full blown war criminals (like John Demyanyuk) were able to immigrate into North America after the war because of their connection with Ukrainian Nationalist anti-communists. I'm not going to get in a pissing contest with you about this because because it's irrelevant to the subject of the thread.

What the hell any of this has to do with a pseudo-trans women disco pop duo from The Ukraine (no matter what language they sing in) is beyond me? Are you inferring Alex posted this because he wants to oppress the use of the Ukrainian language in that country???

You know and I know that Alex wasn't inferring any such thing about NeAngely. And he got the name of the country right too.

You keep calling it "the Ukraine." Ukraine is not a province of anything.